McCaffery has proven more as a head coach, but Hoiberg has waaaaaaay more upside if he pans out. We'll find out soon enough.
Did you catch the .......Who's a better hire, McCaffery or Hoiberg
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Of course, we all know that B.J. Armstrong would have been the biggest of splash hires.....
I don't really understand how he can have more of an upside if he works out.
If both coaches pan out, I think they both stick around and bring success to their respective schools. If Fran rebuilds, it's not likely that he'll bolt for another job, especially if he refills Carver and Barta gives him a raise.
I really like both hires. I really think we can FINALLY start seeing some competitive games in the state.
Both hires are good in their respective ways. Fran was a huge success at Sienna taking them to two NCAA tourny appearences. Fred is a good hire based on his connection to university and his knowledge of the NBA that could attract upper tier recruits in the future. In my biased opinion I believe that The Mayor will have more success because of his demeanor but I don't know much about Fran.
Yes.
Are these trick questions?
That was my point.
HE HAS BEEN THERE and knows what it takes.
GO CYCLONES:yes:
FM has taken 3 teams to the NCAAs, moved on to the next team each opportunity he had, and has now moved on to Iowa. If he is successful at Iowa, you have no reason not to think he will move on to the next big job. He's obviously moving up the ladder of his career. The only way I see Fran sticking with Iowa long term is if he's hit his ceiling in success. Either way, Iowa loses.
Plus, he's an east coast guy. Why would he want to end his career in the midwest?
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Based on work Franny no doubt.
Based on excitement of the fan base, Fred Hoiberg all the way..
Most of my Hawk friends thought Fran was a nice hire, but a lot of them wondered how much different a hire he was than Lichlighter.
Based on excitement of the fan base, Fred Hoiberg all the way..
Most of my Hawk friends thought Fran was a nice hire, but a lot of them wondered how much different a hire he was than Lichlighter.
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Will Fran increase Iowa ticket sales and attendance to a respectable number? Hoiberg will for ISU.
Is Fran able to keep his current players and recruits? Hoiberg has for ISU.
Is Fran a long term hire? or will he leave if successful? Expectation is that Hoiberg will stay for life.
Fran has experience. Hoiberg has everything else. As long as Hoiberg gets the experienced assistants he wants, Hoiberg is the better hire both short term and long term.
Fran is gone if successful, and if not successful then you don't want him.
Is Fran able to keep his current players and recruits? Hoiberg has for ISU.
Is Fran a long term hire? or will he leave if successful? Expectation is that Hoiberg will stay for life.
Fran has experience. Hoiberg has everything else. As long as Hoiberg gets the experienced assistants he wants, Hoiberg is the better hire both short term and long term.
Fran is gone if successful, and if not successful then you don't want him.
ok... FH doesnt have a resume... so its like comparing an empty bottle of pepsi to an almost full one....
obviously the almost full one looks better because you just have had a little sip and there is still actually something in it. But we already drank the whole bottle of OUR pepsi about 20 years ago and it tasted grrrreat and we are jsut looking forward to a fresh bottle of the same. :smile::smile::smile:
Hoiberg has more "coaching experience" than BJ Armstrong. Hoiberg was on the Coaching Staff of the Timberwolves for a while and then moved to the front office. He was then promoted to Vice President of Operations. Armstrong was moved to the front office of the Bulls, then served as a Scout, and finally was an analyst. Not exactly being promoted like Hoiberg was.
I think it is a fair question and made for an interesting coversation.
I was shocked at first, but have really warmed up to Pollard's decision to go this route. It will pay immediate dividends.
The Hawks may have made the right hire, but it will be a long road back.
I was shocked at first, but have really warmed up to Pollard's decision to go this route. It will pay immediate dividends.
The Hawks may have made the right hire, but it will be a long road back.
Both schools have coaches who meet a certian need. Iowa needed a new coach and it brought one in with a new style of play, Fran is seen as personable, and willing to roll up his sleeves and return the Iowa program to relevance. ISU was forced to make a hire after McDermott left for a situation with better security. Pollard takes a big gamble with Hoiberg but it has a lot of upside.
Regarding the whole discussion about keeping current players on the roster and transfers. I hope everyone understands when you make a coaching change that there a serveral reasons for the change (not all are listed). 1) Coach is horrible 2)players and coaches don't fit or 3) lack of administrative support.
Iowa has had some players leave, which you can attribute to a variety of reasons. Recruits have bailed on their LOI because there are no holdovers from the previous coaching staff (i.e. asst. coaches). Meanwhile ISU retained their best recruiter in TJ which is a smart move because talent hasn't been ISU's problem over the last couple of years.
Fran is in the process of cleaning house at Iowa and bringing in his players. Fuller probably would've helped out this year but he's gone and there is no need to complain about it. Fuller's mind was made up before Fran was hired, he was leaving.
I hope both programs can make it back to where they are in the conversation for the NCAA tournament again. No offense to UNI but the state of Iowa as a whole is viewed in a different way with relevant basketball programs from BCS conferences.
Both fan bases need to remain patient as each program is going to encounter challenges on their road back to relevance. ISU will need to be patient with Hoiberg as he will probably drop some early games due to inexperience. Iowa will need to be patient and understand that the program won't be back in one year....it will take time.
Regarding the whole discussion about keeping current players on the roster and transfers. I hope everyone understands when you make a coaching change that there a serveral reasons for the change (not all are listed). 1) Coach is horrible 2)players and coaches don't fit or 3) lack of administrative support.
Iowa has had some players leave, which you can attribute to a variety of reasons. Recruits have bailed on their LOI because there are no holdovers from the previous coaching staff (i.e. asst. coaches). Meanwhile ISU retained their best recruiter in TJ which is a smart move because talent hasn't been ISU's problem over the last couple of years.
Fran is in the process of cleaning house at Iowa and bringing in his players. Fuller probably would've helped out this year but he's gone and there is no need to complain about it. Fuller's mind was made up before Fran was hired, he was leaving.
I hope both programs can make it back to where they are in the conversation for the NCAA tournament again. No offense to UNI but the state of Iowa as a whole is viewed in a different way with relevant basketball programs from BCS conferences.
Both fan bases need to remain patient as each program is going to encounter challenges on their road back to relevance. ISU will need to be patient with Hoiberg as he will probably drop some early games due to inexperience. Iowa will need to be patient and understand that the program won't be back in one year....it will take time.
Good post, and I agree that both teams need to get back to a point where they aren't getting embarassed by the MVC schools they play every year. ISU and Iowa should be beating UNI and Drake regularly no matter how well UNI and Drake are playing.
I dont think the blackjack comparison, and saying you could go broke or you could strike it big, was very good. Because any coaching hire is a bit of a gamble, even Fran.
Id liken it more to investing it in the stock market. With Fran, you've got yourself a nice index fund, that while not guaranteed to succeed, overall has a pretty good track record, with a fairly balanced resume. You wont typically see a huge drop, but your upside isnt as large either.
Hoiberg is more like investing in a specific company. This company has excelled in every market it has entered in the past and seems to have a really smart president running the ship. Now its decided to break into a certain international market that could be very lucrative. While it has plenty of experience selling its product, it has very little experience operating in this market, making this a big gamble. If they succeed, there's a huge upside, but if they fail they risk tarnishing their global image. If this company and its successful CEO can hire some consultants who have had experience operating in this market for other companies, they may be able to have a lot of success in this new market.
Id liken it more to investing it in the stock market. With Fran, you've got yourself a nice index fund, that while not guaranteed to succeed, overall has a pretty good track record, with a fairly balanced resume. You wont typically see a huge drop, but your upside isnt as large either.
Hoiberg is more like investing in a specific company. This company has excelled in every market it has entered in the past and seems to have a really smart president running the ship. Now its decided to break into a certain international market that could be very lucrative. While it has plenty of experience selling its product, it has very little experience operating in this market, making this a big gamble. If they succeed, there's a huge upside, but if they fail they risk tarnishing their global image. If this company and its successful CEO can hire some consultants who have had experience operating in this market for other companies, they may be able to have a lot of success in this new market.
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For what it's worth, I've talked to almost a dozen Iowa fans in the past few days and they don't know who their coach is. Not one of them.
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