Did you catch the .......Who's a better hire, McCaffery or Hoiberg
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Seems to me this question is a lot like asking who had the best draft in the NFl this past weekend. I don't think you can honestly or fairly answer this question on April 29, 2010. (You have to at least wait until April 30th! :biglaugh
But seriously, we won't know for at least 2 years, wouldn't you say...probably more like 3 even.
But seriously, we won't know for at least 2 years, wouldn't you say...probably more like 3 even.
Is their any reason both hires wont be good ones? Iowa and ISU can both have programs going to the NCAA tourny. Remember the 80s and 90s when Davis was coaching Iowa and Orr and Floyd coached Iowa teams gave us great games to watch. Why cannt we have that again. BB was fun for both sides. It was all going so well until Floyd showed up and took ISU to new places and Iowa fan got jealous and wanted more.
Isn't that the truth. Hawk fans don't like to admit it, but I really remember some coworkers being that way.
You are absolutely right.
Tom just wasn't "doing enough" for the Hawks, and they ran him!
That was the day that I lost ALL RESPECT for anything related to that University.
"If Iowa State (lowly ISU), can get it done so quickly, we need to make a change."
Getting to the tournament almost every year wasn't enough for them.
(Sorry, I got off the thread topic.)
GO CYCLONES:yes:
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This part, as far as mid-major choices, is a decent guide. Taking multiple schools shows it isn't just a one-trick pony. Winning games in the tournament (as Siena has) shows he can compete against high-level teams, not just win MAAC titles.
That still guarantees nothing, but if people are talking purely about a coach's track record, you could do a lot worse than FM
I think your right when someone like myself...who cannot afford season tickets plans on going to some games....:yes:
Count on Fred getting it done and filling Hilton on a reguar basis....:yes:
Originally Posted by cdekovic
On the surface, I would have to say that FM is a better/safer hire. But so was Lickliter. I don't think it's even a reasonable question at this point. The question needs to be answered in stages.
Stage 1 - ISU has kept all their signees and may have a transfer return. In fact, ISU has another signee that was being recruited by Indiana, Maryland, Missouri and Georgetown.
Iowa lost 2 recruits and a player AFTER" the new coach came on board
Stage 2 - ???
Stage 1 - ISU has kept all their signees and may have a transfer return. In fact, ISU has another signee that was being recruited by Indiana, Maryland, Missouri and Georgetown.
Iowa lost 2 recruits and a player AFTER" the new coach came on board
Stage 2 - ???
My take - McCaffery has the potential capacity for short-term success at Iowa, and Hoiberg has the potential capacity for long-term stability at ISU.
I view McCaffery's hiring much like Iowa's hirings of Lute Olson and Tom Davis. Both brought quick success and stability at a relatively high level of play for Iowa. However, Olson left Iowa because he felt "forced out", while Davis most certainly was "forced out". For whatever reason, Iowa basketball coaches do not have near the longevity nor room for error that their football coaches have (in the last 30 years, Iowa has had at least 6 basketball coaches whereas they've only had 2 football coaches).
Hoiberg, on the other hand, I view as having the potential to be in a similar position as Kryzezewski or Boeheim. Now, don't get me wrong - I'm not saying that Hoiberg is going to have that kind of success here (although I do dream of him bringing ISU to Final Fours and championships to ISU). What I'm saying is if he sees any kind of success, especially early on in his coaching career, he's the kind of person that could be here for 25-30 years or more, and that kind of tenure at the very least gives us stability Johnny Orr-style (the guy would still be coaching if he weren't in his 80s), at best puts ISU into the position of being a national program. I know I'm dreaming a little bit, but that's the kind of hire that Hoiberg is - either ISU is going to reach new heights in program stability and success, or this experiment is going to go down in flames.
I view McCaffery's hiring much like Iowa's hirings of Lute Olson and Tom Davis. Both brought quick success and stability at a relatively high level of play for Iowa. However, Olson left Iowa because he felt "forced out", while Davis most certainly was "forced out". For whatever reason, Iowa basketball coaches do not have near the longevity nor room for error that their football coaches have (in the last 30 years, Iowa has had at least 6 basketball coaches whereas they've only had 2 football coaches).
Hoiberg, on the other hand, I view as having the potential to be in a similar position as Kryzezewski or Boeheim. Now, don't get me wrong - I'm not saying that Hoiberg is going to have that kind of success here (although I do dream of him bringing ISU to Final Fours and championships to ISU). What I'm saying is if he sees any kind of success, especially early on in his coaching career, he's the kind of person that could be here for 25-30 years or more, and that kind of tenure at the very least gives us stability Johnny Orr-style (the guy would still be coaching if he weren't in his 80s), at best puts ISU into the position of being a national program. I know I'm dreaming a little bit, but that's the kind of hire that Hoiberg is - either ISU is going to reach new heights in program stability and success, or this experiment is going to go down in flames.
One big point for Hoiberg in this discussion is what he will do for attendance. Even with as bad as this team is expected to be Hilton will be full. Will McCaffery be able to fill Carver this year? I highly doubt it. Carver may fill up again when he starts getting wins, but until then don't expect more than a 1/2 - 1/3 full arena. This alone will make Fred's job easier, not only in his support from the AD, but also in recruiting.
I'm saying that you made up that tidbit about "I talked to a dozen Hawk fans and they don't know who their coach is!"
Wasn't Lick the 2007 NABC coach of the year @ Butler? That served him well at Iowa, didn't it? Allfraud was a failure at Iowa, yet he's had success in New Mexico. Former Green Bay Packer greats Bart Star and Forest Gregg had marginal success as coaches, yet Larry Bird was successful. My point is, coaching success depends on numerous intangibles. When it comes to potential upside, the Mayor gets my vote as the better hire for all the reasons already expressed in this thread. It'll be fun to watch the whole thing pan out.
I think he's saying you're lying about asking a dozen Hawk fans to ID their roundball coach.
Originally Posted by cdekovic
On the surface, I would have to say that FM is a better/safer hire. But so was Lickliter. I don't think it's even a reasonable question at this point. The question needs to be answered in stages.
Stage 1 - ISU has kept all their signees and may have a transfer return. In fact, ISU has another signee that was being recruited by Indiana, Maryland, Missouri and Georgetown.
Iowa lost 2 recruits and a player AFTER" the new coach came on board
Stage 2 - ???
Honestly, if Coach Hoiberg has the kind of success he is capable of, Stage 3 will be PROFIT! :wink:
How do you argue with something like that? Think about it, I live in Omaha and there is little iowa hawkeye news here. Unless you actively seek out iowa hawkeye information...how could you know? It isn't a household name. He doesn't have ties to iowa.
Thanks for calling me out though. Maybe you can email me so I can send you names and contact information to each hawkeye fan that has no idea who their head basetball coach is. Better yet, you can get mad at them when they say "Who cares about iowa basketball, they suck. Go hawkeye football!"
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