Ethos article on Bubu Palo and his false accusation

[jbhtexas]

I don't think their intentions were to get charged. If so, we have more issues. You are, by your statements, assuming that force was involved at some point. Neither of us know what happened that night, but you are saying that something wasn't consensual.

I never said any such thing. All I said was that they made a decision to go into the house with the girl, who also made the same decision.

 

[CycloneErik]

There is simple change that would help mitigate something like this. Make the accused names as private and protected as the accuser's until proven guilty in a court of law. I have been told it works this ways in other countries, and it seems like the most fair way to handle something like this.

Post of the day. It's really not even close.

 

[ISUChippewa]

I never said any such thing. All I said was that they made a decision to go into the house with the girl, who also made the same decision.

Actually, yeah, you did...

None of this mess would have happened if these guys had just given the girl a ride home, escorted her to the door, and left. The decision to proceed to a different course of action was theirs, not hers.

 

[NATEizKING]

Post of the day. It's really not even close.

Same for every arrest, major or not. Good to see he wasn't wrongfully punished.

 

[CloneIce]

And there were many here that were p*ssed when he was cleared and allowed back immediately.

Yeah, that's because there are alot of dumbasses on the internet.

 

[jbhtexas]

Actually, yeah, you did...

None of this mess would have happened if these guys had just given the girl a ride home, escorted her to the door, and left. The decision to proceed to a different course of action was theirs, not hers.

Huh? Did she force them to not take her home and go to the other residence? If she didn't force them, then it was their decision to do it. She may have been thinking the same thing, but that doesn't bind them to that course of action.

 

[Cyclonin]

Huh? Did she force them to not take her home and go to the other residence? If she didn't force them, then it was their decision to do it. She may have been thinking the same thing, but that doesn't bind them to that course of action.

Haha, you are grasping at straws here.

Should we go back to say this could have been avoided had her parents not conceived her?

 

[justcynn]

Do bubu a favor, let this thread die. We all have choices and sometimes they are not the same choices we think we would make in a similar situation but he wasn't guilty of a crime so the moral judgements are just that, your choice to judge.

 

[cyclones500]

Ethos has been around since I was at ISU in the mid-late 90s.

It existed at least a decade prior to that.

I wrote an article for it one semester, long ago. It was a terrible piece, so don't ask me about it. I knew not what I was doing. :sad:

 

[cyclone87]

It existed at least a decade prior to that.

I wrote an article for it one semester, long ago. It was a terrible piece, so don't ask me about it. I knew not what I was doing. :sad:

They had a pretty interesting piece about the guy that is always walking or riding his bike around in Ames in a dress/skirt. Not surprisingly I'm pretty sure the guy is crazy. That volume also had an interesting story on the underground weed/drug culture in Ames. Actually some pretty interesting articles in it sometimes.

 

[CloneAggie]

Did the D.A. say that she falsely accused him or did she admit to making the story up? Or were the charges simply dropped because the evidence tampering?

Serious question.

Can anyone answer this?

 

[ruxCYtable]

Pretty much the story I heard. Basically the girls boyfriend found out she cheated on him, so she said it was rape, and it all took off from there. Lots of ill sentiment to the girl from Ames natives, and rightfully so.

Also my thought as I read the article.

This girl needs about 10 minutes in a room with ACTUAL rape victims.

 

[VeloClone]

While a lot of us, me included, are inclined to want there to be some sort of repercussions for a woman who falsely accuses rape, there is one other thing to consider. A woman who knows that she may serve prison time for a false accusation is more likely to doggedly cling to the false accusation even if she starts to have second thoughts that it is the right thing to do. Without huge (legal) consequences, a woman is more likely to tell the truth when she calms down if she hasn't been truthful up to that point. I'm sure anyone falsely accused would say their first priority would just be getting those charges dropped rather than making their accuser pay, especially if the threat of a false accuser paying results in a higher liklihood of an unwarranted conviction.

Also please note that we know that she lied about the ripped shirt. As far as I have heard thus far, we don't know if it was a misguided attempt to bolster a truthful charge of rape or a misguided attempt to salvage a false charge of rape. Women have been known to lie for both reasons.

I agree with all who say there are no winners in this situation, only losers. As far as Bubu goes, he was cleared of charges so that is good enough for me.

 

[Rhoadhoused]

While a lot of us, me included, are inclined to want there to be some sort of repercussions for a woman who falsely accuses rape, there is one other thing to consider. A woman who knows that she may serve prison time for a false accusation is more likely to doggedly cling to the false accusation even if she starts to have second thoughts that it is the right thing to do. Without huge (legal) consequences, a woman is more likely to tell the truth when she calms down if she hasn't been truthful up to that point. I'm sure anyone falsely accused would say their first priority would just be getting those charges dropped rather than making their accuser pay, especially if the threat of a false accuser paying results in a higher liklihood of an unwarranted conviction.

Also please note that we know that she lied about the ripped shirt. As far as I have heard thus far, we don't know if it was a misguided attempt to bolster a truthful charge of rape or a misguided attempt to salvage a false charge of rape. Women have been known to lie for both reasons.

I agree with all who say there are no winners in this situation, only losers. As far as Bubu goes, he was cleared of charges so that is good enough for me.

Simple. Investigate whether she was lying, and if there is a reasonable doubt that she didn't falsely accuse him, let her go free. If not, she goes to jail. Not difficult at all. Go try to find out what the truth is. It isn't a witchhunt, (which Bubu didn't avoid, unfortunately) it is the US justice system. Give her her day in court.

 

[Cycsk]

There is simple change that would help mitigate something like this. Make the accused names as private and protected as the accuser's until proven guilty in a court of law. I have been told it works this ways in other countries, and it seems like the most fair way to handle something like this.

I appreciate your sentiment, but implementation in reality is quite a bit more complicated. For instance, should the accused be suspended from the team? Or only after conviction? Should the trial be kept entirely private until after the conviction? And what if the accused is Iowa's Pierre Pierce?

 

[Nycclone]

I'm not one who normally resurrects threads from the dead, or for that matter post at all, ever, but I was reading some stuff online and found a couple of articles in the daily which in hindsight seem rather interesting and is in relation to this magazine article in ethos. Pretty much, some unidentified group decided to steal a bunch of ethos magazines in some form of protest.

Ethos magazines possibly stolen - Iowa State Daily: News

and here is a letter to the editor from someone who used to work with Ethos and is now is employed at the Huffington Post.

Letter to the editor: Throwing away copies of "Ethos" is not the answer - Opinion - Iowa State Daily Mobile

Note the letter was written 8/22, and shortly afterwards Leath decided to delay his decision on Bubu by a week which cost him his ability to transfer. I really have no idea if there is a correlation between this letter or the protest and Leath's decision but I find the whole situation ironic and felt like pointing it out.

 

[ISUTex]

None of us know what happened that night. The alleged victim is a person too and reading the things that are being thrown around at her in this thread has me feeling sorry for you. "Shun her/drag her name through the mud"...come on. Let it go and move on. The fact that I am even reading blasts about the girl's boyfriend is beyond sad. If this is what this board has become I'm thinking my time posting on here may be at a close.

The justice system prevailed and judge not unless you care to be judged.

If she lied about it, which it sounds like she did, she deserves everything she gets. They should throw her a@@ in jail.

 

[ISUTex]

When I was single, and in college, if a good looking girl wanted to take me into her room, and "fool around", um, yeah, I usually went it.
:v_SPIN:

 

[cyatheart]

Terrible thing for bubu if he did nothing wrong, horrible lapse in judgement regardless, but every human being is guilty of that, but how does he ever get a job now? Anybody can google him now and get a million horrible stories.

 

[Psiclone]

The Comeback Kid | Ethos magazine

In December, Palo got the answers he had so desperately sought. The female was deposed for two days, during which she stated that she had washed the shirt she wore the night of the incident and then misplaced it. The female found the shirt in a drawer at her mother’s house the day after her deposition, five and a half months after the alleged incident. When the shirt was presented as evidence on Dec. 1, 2012, a 5- to 6-inch-long tear gaped across the front. The female’s boyfriend had come to her residence after the alleged assault, where, according to Boles, the two remained for approximately an hour before deciding to go to the hospital. According to Boles, the female’s boyfriend, the sexual assault nurse and case detective Suzy Owens all testified the tear was not there that night at the hospital.
Finding the mismatch of the new evidence and subsequent depositions troubling, Boles motioned for the shirt to be sent to Chesterine Cwiklik—owner of Cwiklik & Associates, a microscopy and forensic consulting lab in Seattle—to be analyzed.

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The case never made it to trial. Scientific analysis, Cwiklik deposed, determined it was impossible the shirt had been torn before laundering. Prosecutors concluded the female had manufactured the evidence, stories became muddled and the female’s case fell apart. The charges against Palo and Cruise were officially dropped Jan. 14, freeing the two of all legal consequences and allowing Palo to be reinstated to the basketball team. “I didn’t do anything wrong,†Palo says of that May night. “There’s a lot written about me that’s false … It’s still kind of tough to think that someone could put someone through that. I’m still coping with forgiving her and moving on.â€


Wow. That chick should rot in jail for whatever sentence he could have gone to jail for.

Wanting to forgive the false accuser speaks volumes about Bubu's character. Wanting to punish Bubu further after knowing the accuser lied (including under oath in depositions which, btw, is a felony) as some on this board are doing speaks volumes about their character. Here us a link re: her perjury:

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/Vi...s-about-sexual-assault-charge-being-dismissed