Ethos article on Bubu Palo and his false accusation

[Cychotiic]

It's a big deal because there was poor decision making on Palo's part which could have ruined his life legally (i.e. rape conviction) and otherwise (i.e. revenge of jealous boyfriend). None of this mess would have happened if these guys had just given the girl a ride home, escorted her to the door, and left. The decision to proceed to a different course of action was theirs, not hers. Why no discussion of this and the lessons learned from it? It seems like this would be an important aspect of a young man trying to rebuild his life.

Furthermore, the article, in its attempt to paint Palo as a good kid by pointing out the strong religious influence in his life leading up to these events, severely contradicts itself. If religion was a big influence in Palo's life and "ingrained" many lessons in him, where was that influence when the decision was made to proceed into the residence with the girl? There certainly seems to have been some activity that occurred which would be in conflict with Catholic religious principles.

Strictly regarding the article, IMO, it's basically just a fluff piece, doesn't really accomplish anything useful, is self-contradictory, and might even cloud matters even more. It would have been better off not written.

So you know nothing about this case, so don't talk. The girl lied. I also didn't know you knew Bubu so well personally to judge him. You remind me of one of those old people that just want to throw every kid in jail.

In conclusion, your post was horrible, and you know nothing about the case, the girl, Spencer or bubu. Next time I hear of a 3 way i'll be sure to phone the police because it clearly is morally wrong and deserves punishment by jail, and a rape conviction even if it was consensual.

 

[Cychotiic]

I didn't even post in that thread once.

Sorry thought you were the one that told me I was spencer, then spencers dad... But your right, you didn't post in there

 

[cowgirl836]

Exactly. Women who report false rapes are the ones ruining it for actual victims who are afraid to come forward. This isn't a case of he said she said, it is an obvious case of her tampering with evidence to make him look guilty.

this. So many victims (male and female) don't report their assault because they don't want to be accused of lying, deserving it, asking for it and deal with all the shame and judgement that comes with going through a trial. Look at Steubenville. It is just awful for her to falsely accuse someone like this.

 

[HFCS]

I knew a girl growing up who basically ruined her stepdad's life over false accusations. It's always wrong to defend or convict either party in these things until all the details are known. The unfortunate reality is this means it's always unwise to defend someone who is innocent for a time.

 

[Erik4Cy]

Sucks so much he had to sit out from playing a game he loved because of this bich (i dropped the T but she has nothing to do with the latin term for generosity.) Totally agree that she should serve the SAME EXACT punishment that Bubu would have had to if he had been found guilty. It's the only way people like her learn to stop lying/making false accusations.

 

[Jordanj6502]

There is simple change that would help mitigate something like this. Make the accused names as private and protected as the accuser's until proven guilty in a court of law. I have been told it works this ways in other countries, and it seems like the most fair way to handle something like this.

 

[cowgirl836]

There is simple change that would help mitigate something like this. Make the accused names as private and protected as the accuser's until proven guilty in a court of law. I have been told it works this ways in other countries, and it seems like the most fair way to handle something like this.

that's a fantastic idea.

 

[Cyclonin]

It's a big deal because there was poor decision making on Palo's part which could have ruined his life legally (i.e. rape conviction) and otherwise (i.e. revenge of jealous boyfriend). None of this mess would have happened if these guys had just given the girl a ride home, escorted her to the door, and left. The decision to proceed to a different course of action was theirs, not hers. Why no discussion of this and the lessons learned from it? It seems like this would be an important aspect of a young man trying to rebuild his life.

Furthermore, the article, in its attempt to paint Palo as a good kid by pointing out the strong religious influence in his life leading up to these events, severely contradicts itself. If religion was a big influence in Palo's life and "ingrained" many lessons in him, where was that influence when the decision was made to proceed into the residence with the girl? There certainly seems to have been some activity that occurred which would be in conflict with Catholic religious principles.

Strictly regarding the article, IMO, it's basically just a fluff piece, doesn't really accomplish anything useful, is self-contradictory, and might even cloud matters even more. It would have been better off not written.

From the way it sounds, it was her choice too. You seem really angry that college kids decided to have a little bit of fun. I'm sorry your college days sucked.

 

[jbhtexas]

So you know nothing about this case, so don't talk. The girl lied. I also didn't know you knew Bubu so well personally to judge him. You remind me of one of those old people that just want to throw every kid in jail.

How do you know what I know? Nice of you to condemn me for being judgemental by being judgemental.

In conclusion, your post was horrible,

Fair enough.

you know nothing about the case, the girl, Spencer or bubu.

Well, I do some things about the case, the girl, Spencer and Bubu. For starters, a number of details about all of these were given in the Ethos article.

Next time I hear of a 3 way i'll be sure to phone the police because it clearly is morally wrong and deserves punishment by jail, and a rape conviction even if it was consensual.

So are you confirming what happened, or just speculating?

 

[jbhtexas]

From the way it sounds, it was her choice too. You seem really angry that college kids decided to have a little bit of fun. I'm sorry your college days sucked.

Did she force them to go in? Getting charged with rape really doesn't sound like that much fun to me. Maybe we just have a different definition of fun.

By the way, my college days were fine.

 

[CloneAggie]

Did the D.A. say that she falsely accused him or did she admit to making the story up? Or were the charges simply dropped because the evidence tampering?

Serious question.

 

[CYVADER]

Did she force them to go in? Getting charged with rape really doesn't sound like that much fun to me. Maybe we just have a different definition of fun.

By the way, my college days were fine.

dude you might want to simmer a bit. Lots of assumptions on both sides and you know what they say when you assume.

 

[Cychotiic]

dude you might want to simmer a bit. Lots of assumptions on both sides and you know what they say when you assume.

Might not be directed at me, but I'm not assuming. I was told what happened. I suppose I am assuming what I heard is the truth, but that's all. I know all the people in this case personally, and honestly it isn't hard to believe at all that the accuser would do this. She would easily be in my top 5 of people to do something like this. Doesn't mean she is a bad person, just silly and immature.

 

[Cyclonin]

Did she force them to go in? Getting charged with rape really doesn't sound like that much fun to me. Maybe we just have a different definition of fun.

By the way, my college days were fine.

I don't think their intentions were to get charged. If so, we have more issues. You are, by your statements, assuming that force was involved at some point. Neither of us know what happened that night, but you are saying that something wasn't consensual.

 

[jsb]

It's a big deal because there was poor decision making on Palo's part which could have ruined his life legally (i.e. rape conviction) and otherwise (i.e. revenge of jealous boyfriend). None of this mess would have happened if these guys had just given the girl a ride home, escorted her to the door, and left. The decision to proceed to a different course of action was theirs, not hers. Why no discussion of this and the lessons learned from it? It seems like this would be an important aspect of a young man trying to rebuild his life.

Furthermore, the article, in its attempt to paint Palo as a good kid by pointing out the strong religious influence in his life leading up to these events, severely contradicts itself. If religion was a big influence in Palo's life and "ingrained" many lessons in him, where was that influence when the decision was made to proceed into the residence with the girl? There certainly seems to have been some activity that occurred which would be in conflict with Catholic religious principles.

Strictly regarding the article, IMO, it's basically just a fluff piece, doesn't really accomplish anything useful, is self-contradictory, and might even cloud matters even more. It would have been better off not written.

I would expect that girl also made a poor decision. At the very least, she tampered with evidence and was kind of shady when crying rape.

Look...I agree with you mostly. I would absolutely agree that there were 3 people that night that made bad decisions. And I would hope that everyone learned some hard lessons. And I think that a person will always wonder about Bubu when they think about that. If you think about it, that's a really, really high price to pay. Bubu isn't stupid and he knows that.

But I don't blame him for cooperating with the story to try and get his story out there. I mean just look at the reaction in this thread....there are still people that don't want to give him the benefit of the doubt. I also don't see any problem bringing up his faith.

 

[CYVADER]

Might not be directed at me, but I'm not assuming. I was told what happened. I suppose I am assuming what I heard is the truth, but that's all. I know all the people in this case personally, and honestly it isn't hard to believe at all that the accuser would do this. She would easily be in my top 5 of people to do something like this. Doesn't mean she is a bad person, just silly and immature.

not directed at you that's why I didn't quote you. Everyone seems to be a bit heated. It's making all of you look fairly ugly on both sides

 

[Cyclonin]

Might not be directed at me, but I'm not assuming. I was told what happened. I suppose I am assuming what I heard is the truth, but that's all. I know all the people in this case personally, and honestly it isn't hard to believe at all that the accuser would do this. She would easily be in my top 5 of people to do something like this. Doesn't mean she is a bad person, just silly and immature.

PI don't think that was directed at you. It was meant for grumpy old jump-to-conclusions guy.

 

[Cychotiic]

How do you know what I know? Nice of you to condemn me for being judgemental by being judgemental.

Cause you live in Texas, and if you knew what really happened/ who the people were that were involved i don't think you'd have those judgements.

Fair enough.

You gave me a cookie so i'll give you one. Your argument was well organized

Well, I do some things about the case, the girl, Spencer and Bubu. For starters, a number of details about all of these were given in the Ethos article.

Yes, but you don't know the girl, Spencer or Bubu, that was my point. I challenge you to not judge people by their police records but by their character. Prejudice can come in many forms, and believe it or not, there are loads of great people with not so great police records.

So are you confirming what happened, or just speculating?

Yes i can confirm they had sex. It was however consensual, not rape. Unless I'm unaware of the law, a threesome doesn't mitigate rape charges. Some girls are wild my friend. Some girls get off on that kind of stuff.

 

[Cyclonin]

Yea this is all a dumb argument. I shouldn't have got caught up in it.

Cyclonin out.

 

[Cychotiic]

not directed at you that's why I didn't quote you. Everyone seems to be a bit heated. It's making all of you look fairly ugly on both sides

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