What I know about the Prohm/Alabama speculation...

[clonedude]

Winning the Big 12 tournament was not a big accomplishment at all IMO. It was nice, but we didn't really have to beat much to accomplish it. Baylor is decent, not great.... KSU is just damaged goods at this point.... and we were really lucky to face an average KU team instead of TT in the title game IMO.

I give Prohm some credit for winning it, but that all got wiped away tonight. SVP on ESPN tonight is even calling this game an embarrassment for the game.... by both teams. He couldn't be more right. It was as ugly as the game gets.

 

[dahliaclone]

This is what I'm fearing. I think we're going to see some serious attrition. Just have a gut feeling, nothing more.

I think that's why things got so ugly down the stretch for this team. It was everyone for themselves because they all were planning on going to the NBA, or transferring, or whatever.

And if Prohm all of the sudden does leave for Alabama, I think that will really be a sign that guys are jumping ship and so that will be why Prohm does too.

Yep. Been saying the same thing. If it’s true there was going to be a mass exodus by players at the end of the year and Prohm knows that, why not get out now?

I’d honestly say at this point it’s 50/50 what he does. We will know soon since both ISU and Alabama are done. I just hope Pollard has an ace up his sleeve if it comes to getting a new coach. I love TJ but I’m not too impressed with what he’s done at SDSU to be honest. Give me Oats from Buffalo or maybe try for Wojo?

 

[clonebb]

Alabama, please hire Prohm. That would be a gift like we got from Creighton.

 

[cdfree]

And aside from last year, which was a hole created by fred, and injuries on top of that, Prohm has largely maintained in most areas.

Don't get me wrong, i have several complaints, but overall he's not failing here, at least so far.

You’re right, he’s not failing. But when Hoiberg was here there was a sense that the program was going places. I don’t think a lot of people have that sense now. You can almost feel it when watching the home games. After seeing LW and CL year, its hard to imagine him developing THT and TH. And remember he took over a big-time mid major in Murray State and basically maintained. His primary claim to fame was getting Cam Payne drafted.

 

[ISUChippewa]

You’re right, he’s not failing. But when Hoiberg was here there was a sense that the program was going places. I don’t think a lot of people have that sense now. You can almost feel it when watching the home games. After seeing LW and CL year, its hard to imagine him developing THT and TH. And remember he took over a big-time mid major in Murray State and basically maintained. His primary claim to fame was getting Cam Payne drafted.

I actually didn't feel that way with Fred. I was happy with him; loved his teams.

Maybe it's because of all the speculation of him leaving which proved true, maybe it was the loss to UAB (as disappointing as tonight is, it doesn't compare to me personally on how I felt after the UAB game), but I didn't feel like we were going to supplant Kansas as the top dog in the Big 12.

 

[FinalFourCy]

And aside from last year, which was a hole created by fred, and injuries on top of that, Prohm has largely maintained in most areas.

Don't get me wrong, i have several complaints, but overall he's not failing here, at least so far.

Three seasons out is a long time in today’s CBB. Prohm had a significant say in that hole, certainly more say about last year’s failures than the first two season’s success imo. We played some really bad basketball at times last year, even in regards to the roster.

The question is, is this to be a peak type year under Prohm, surrounded by seasons like last year? Or is this just an average to slightly below average season? It’s tough to see next year’s roster being better, but for the same reason this year is disappointing, there may not be as big of drop off as there should be.

 

[spitfyr36]

You’re right, he’s not failing. But when Hoiberg was here there was a sense that the program was going places. I don’t think a lot of people have that sense now. You can almost feel it when watching the home games. After seeing LW and CL year, its hard to imagine him developing THT and TH. And remember he took over a big-time mid major in Murray State and basically maintained. His primary claim to fame was getting Cam Payne drafted.

You miss all the threads when Baylor won their first ever game at Hilton under Fred?
People called for Fred and staffs head too many times to even recall.
It's easy to look back and think everything was rainbows and puppy dogs, but that's not reality

 

[FerShizzle]

And aside from last year, which was a hole created by fred, and injuries on top of that, Prohm has largely maintained in most areas.

Don't get me wrong, i have several complaints, but overall he's not failing here, at least so far.

He literally had been coaching ISU for 1000 days when they finished his last place campaign. It took Fred 3 months and then waiting a year for transfers to become eligible.

Not looking to argue further. We can probably both agree that a lot of coaches have inherited a lot less.

 

[FinalFourCy]

You miss all the threads when Baylor won their first ever game at Hilton under Fred?
People called for Fred and staffs head too many times to even recall.
It's easy to look back and think everything was rainbows and puppy dogs, but that's not reality

That shoots the narrative that people are treating Prohm differently than Fred.

Many thought Fred needed a Lutz/Sadler on the bench as the real coach. And he didn’t recruit well, he just got lucky on transfers. Even after he turned things around.

In some respects CF was more critical of Hoiberg’s coaching.

 

[Cat Stevens]

Just got back to the hotel and haven't read any of the threads. This loss wasn't on Prohm. Ohio State with Wessan was a tough draw for ISU. The officials really let a lot of physical play go which really helped tOSU.

Lots and lots of pushing, holding, etc. It through off our offense.

Jacobsen was overmatched.

You’re fighting a group think narrative here. It’s not about what happens on the floor anymore.

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

You miss all the threads when Baylor won their first ever game at Hilton under Fred?
People called for Fred and staffs head too many times to even recall.
It's easy to look back and think everything was rainbows and puppy dogs, but that's not reality

There was some GARBAGE basketball under Hoiberg at times.

 

[awd4cy]

Yeah, jamie is not known for a quick trigger finger.

Only with Bruce Van De Velde’s guys.

 

[Cat Stevens]

He literally had been coaching ISU for 1000 days when they finished his last place campaign. It took Fred 3 months and then waiting a year for transfers to become eligible.

Not looking to argue further. We can probably both agree that a lot of coaches have inherited a lot less.

Dumb button. Need a dishonest argument button for nonsense like this.

 

[Cat Stevens]

There was some GARBAGE basketball under Hoiberg at times.

Impossible

 

[Cat Stevens]

And hasn't won a tournament game since Fred's guys left

This is really dumb

 

[spitfyr36]

That shoots the narrative that people are treating Prohm differently than Fred.

Many thought Fred needed a Lutz/Sadler on the bench as the real coach. And he didn’t recruit well, he just got lucky on transfers. Even after he turned things around.

In some respects CF was more critical of Hoiberg’s coaching.

I think reality was Fref was a great x and o coach.
He didn't recruit, that was Otz.
Same song and dance on CF

 

[Inspired]

Just because someone speculates that Prohm is Alabama's top prospect doesn't mean Alabama is Prohm's top prospect.

 

[cdface]

let me preface ALL posts by saying i'm ambivalent. let the best coach win! i appreceiate Prohm's efforts to win against tOSU, as well as that of the players.............but too often, it seems like too little too late. i welcome change....at some level....what's next, brothers?

 

[Gerbs]

So you're saying that of the 3 tourney appearance, ISU was the higher ranked/rated team and beat the team we were supposed to 2 of 3? I must be missing something...

Yes congratulations to Steve in the three tourney appearances he beat two 12’s and a 13.

 

[sadam]

You realize that Prohm had 5 and 4 Current NBA players on his first teams. 1000 days after taking the job he still had a PG that Fred recruited and was still using him tonight. This bare cupboard argument is BS. You are acting like Fred pulled a Licklighter.

Couldn’t agree more. It’s way overblown and gets old.