I don't think after tonight, and how disappointing this team finished the regular season, that JP has to give Prohm any more $ right now. If he doesn't like what he's making now, then don't let the door hit you on the way out.
What I know about the Prohm/Alabama speculation...
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It’s hard not to look at it for face value right now:
Year 1 - Hoiberg’s guys, under achieved but best you could do for what you stepped into
Year 2 - Hoiberg’s guys - I’d say met expectations considering how Morris is doin now in the NBA
Year 3 - Year we expected. Probably would have happened with or without Hoiberg to be completely fair.
Year 4 - All Prohm’s guys, loads of talent and potential, poor execution. Can’t say some of this isn’t on coach.
I think it’s understandable to see why folks are critical at this point.
Year 1 - Hoiberg’s guys, under achieved but best you could do for what you stepped into
Year 2 - Hoiberg’s guys - I’d say met expectations considering how Morris is doin now in the NBA
Year 3 - Year we expected. Probably would have happened with or without Hoiberg to be completely fair.
Year 4 - All Prohm’s guys, loads of talent and potential, poor execution. Can’t say some of this isn’t on coach.
I think it’s understandable to see why folks are critical at this point.
Prohm took over a top 10 team and hasn't won an NCAA tournament game in two years now, if he leaves, I think he can easily be replaced.
Yeah the people who had been talking about giving him a raise were full of it. Our current approach this offseason is status quo. If he leaves fine but he saved his job with the Big 12 tournament.
I just don’t think Prohm is that next step. He’s a good guy but I think we need to take the next step and move past him. Hoiberg, in my opinion, has a bigger upside than Prohm, who has plateau’d this program. Do I think Prohm sucks? Of course not? Do I think Prohm is solid? Sure. Do I think he’s upper tier? No. We need to take the next step and I just think we need to go back to Hoiball to move up or we are stuck at this level.
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Hoiberg still looks slightly better overall, imo, but as we can see we could do a lot worse.
Prohm took over a program that Hoiberg had built into one that had at least somewhat of a national profile. Half (and probably more) current D-1 coaches could have done as well or better. He’s just a guy. Decent recruiter on paper; well below average coach.
Prohm also took over a program that fred left with a massive hole in recruiting.
Is he perfect? No. Could things get a loooot worse? Yep.
And hasn't won a tournament game since Fred's guys left
Feels like a bunch of people are leaving no room for nuance. There's a lot of space in between "Prohm is terrible and I want him gone now" and "Prohm is amazing and has done incredible things."
I think he has done a decent job, on the whole, over these past four years. He inherited an unusual situation. The NCAAT results aren't what you want; the B12T results are better than you would expect; the regular season results are mostly fine and maybe a bit below your hopes (but not by a ton).
I think 19-20 will be a big season for him - if it is a disappointment, he could be on the hot seat in 20-21. This sport is all about March and Prohm has, unfortunately, not been great there. His best NCAAT win is over a 12 seed.
Well, I’d argue our peak has suggested it can be a high ceiling, we just need to hit it more often.
We’re talking about a handful of possessions changing a handful of games. Yeah, coaching can make the difference, but it’s still a small difference. Look at Michigan and Beilein. They used to be a niche, finesse offensive team. Now with Yaklich they’re one of the elite defensive teams.
Absolutely. If you want to actually try to have a discussion on the positives and negatives, you often get hit from both sides
He's had one season that he could really be judged on since fred's guys left, this one. Last year was the inevitable mess from Fred's lack of recruiting. Lets see how things turn out next year.
So you're saying that of the 3 tourney appearance, ISU was the higher ranked/rated team and beat the team we were supposed to 2 of 3? I must be missing something...
I dunno. He constantly takes the heat for the team's performance himself. I respect that. But maybe he'll do the thing he's never done that you think he DOES do for the first time.
A hole three seasons out is pretty standard in college basketball. And Prohm didn’t mitigate that hole, more that he made that hole bigger by chasing bad transfers.
But that’s largely a sunk cost at this point, and probably isn’t terribly informative in regards of future success.
Unfortunately you get judged on small sample sizes in March. Prohm's teams have handled 12/13 seeds but went 0-3 against #1 Virginia, #4 Purdue and now #11 Ohio State. That is just a fact and you can decide how much it matters to you.
I'm ok with the coach but if he loses all if his players, things might get a little hairy
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