***Official Bench Steele Jantz thread***

cyatheart

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Mess needs to be up in the box and outta CPR shadow. Play callling was predictable, horrible.

yeah, I felt like tonight we really saw how overmatched Messingham is right now. The level of coaching from our defense to our offense is really amazing.
 

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Play calling was horrendous. Oline didn't help. Posting this from a phone otherwise I'd get into more details.
 

CaptainCamoBeer

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If we had a better QB than Jantz I'd say put him in. But with the way the OL is playing and with how the Messingham is calling plays I'm not sure it'd be much better. I'm not sure Steve Young in his prime could make the offense work at this point in time.

I am guessing that we would have seen another QB on that last series if the coaching staff had any shred of confidence in anyone outside of Steele.... This to me is very concerning.
 

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Brun is a pretty good TE. Pleasant surprise.

Hopefully he's not out injured after getting hung out to dry by the QB.


O-Line is bad.
Jantz looks just as bad as last year...looks like Tulsa was his game like Iowa last year.
Arceo is not good enough. Either burn Netten's red shirt or find someone else more consistent on PATs..


I'm not going to publicly say bench him, although I was sitting here saying that myself. I don't know what the coaches know, so I'm assuming we don't have any better options.

Here's what frustrates me:

As others have said, he got the pocket collapsed on him too many times. However, there were also times where I saw a breath of pressure but he still had time, thought to myself 'don't flip out, don't flip out...' then you see his feet start doing that happy dance and it's done, he's rolling out.

Then, when he does roll out, he WILL NOT throw it away until he's at the sideline, no matter if he's 30 yards deep. You can't always make something happen against this competition. But, if you don't go 'guns down' and shoot yourself in the foot, you have another chance.

No, not all problems are with Jantz, but we can't have 'checkers or wreckers' at the QB.

*private note to the guy selling Steele 'effing' Jantz T-shirts. You don't have any misprints where you accidentally switched the first two words, do you? They might sell good about now*
 

cc1091

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Jantz wasn't great.
But I'm wondering about Messingham.
It ain't a formula kid.

As for QB's, I'm looking forward to next year's QB fight.
 

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What happened to the bubble screens that we had been successful on the first three games? It didn't seem like we threw any tonight.
 

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Hopefully he's not out injured after getting hung out to dry by the QB.




I'm not going to publicly say bench him, although I was sitting here saying that myself. I don't know what the coaches know, so I'm assuming we don't have any better options.

Here's what frustrates me:

As others have said, he got the pocket collapsed on him too many times. However, there were also times where I saw a breath of pressure but he still had time, thought to myself 'don't flip out, don't flip out...' then you see his feet start doing that happy dance and it's done, he's rolling out.

Then, when he does roll out, he WILL NOT throw it away until he's at the sideline, no matter if he's 30 yards deep. You can't always make something happen against this competition. But, if you don't go 'guns down' and shoot yourself in the foot, you have another chance.

No, not all problems are with Jantz, but we can't have 'checkers or wreckers' at the QB.

*private note to the guy selling Steele 'effing' Jantz T-shirts. You don't have any misprints where you accidentally switched the first two words, do you? They might sell good about now*

This is the most outstanding QB critique I have seen all night and I absolutely agree with it.
 

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What happened to the bubble screens that we had been successful on the first three games? It didn't seem like we threw any tonight.

We did - TT defense ate them up because their defense gets to practice against it with much better, faster receivers.
 

cyatheart

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Whatever in the hell is wrong with the offense, if it doesn't get fixed and fixed in a hurry, we won't win another game

I am not sure it can be fixed really. Line was bad. Our recieivers were absolutely killed. Tech was physical and kicked their *****. We have a big receiving problem as well again that was exposed.

Bruns making the same point right now. Lot of this stuff can't be fixed.
 

mwitt

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No one is saying that Jantz is free from blame. I've made that clear in most of my postgame posts. What I'm saying is our issues run much deeper than just bad QB play.

Similarly, no one is saying Messingham, the offensive line, or the rest of the offense is free from blame. Seems like we're all in agreement. Why is anyone arguing?
 

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Bruns is smarter than all of you. Some should actually listen to what he's talking about tonight. He's always honest and does not hold back.

Jantz is not in his crosshairs.
 

cyatheart

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God, listening to Bruns is depressing right now. Telling it like it is.
 

digZ

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What happened to the bubble screens that we had been successful on the first three games? It didn't seem like we threw any tonight.

Meanwhile Tech was having great success with those. Our tackling was a bit sloppy on the first level too. They had a lot of success with blocking on those screens, and also cutting them back to the inside and using them as big plays. Overall I thought Tech was much better on offensive adjustments in the 2nd half than we were, they were hitting us all over (inside runs, outside runs, screens, over the middle passing).
 

mwitt

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Bruns is correct about the OL play tonight, but the same OL helped us get a Messingham-coordinated offense into the red zone in Kinnick Stadium five times. We left with nine points. Why?
 

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