Sorry, wasn't trying to ridicule you, just perspective for the masses who might not know that. So many times, people are all like SENECA....drool, slobber, show me 'the run' again, LOL, OMG. He was the same type of recruit that Jantz was.
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Sorry, wasn't trying to ridicule you, just perspective for the masses who might not know that. So many times, people are all like SENECA....drool, slobber, show me 'the run' again, LOL, OMG. He was the same type of recruit that Jantz was.
I thought promoting an assistant from a miserable failure of an offense was a bizarre and horrible decision when Rhoads made it. I'm even more convinced now that it was the worst decision of his career. I don't understand why we didn't go out and use the new TV money to hire somebody from outside the program. I know Herman was a disaster too, but I'd rather take my chances on a proven guy than a guy with no experience. Steele doesn't help his case with the idiotic turnovers, but it isn't all on him.
I've resigned myself to winning 2 more games max. 3-9 looks terrifyingly realistic. The defense doesn't deserve this ****.
I've resigned myself to winning 2 more games max. 3-9 looks terrifyingly realistic. The defense doesn't deserve this ****.
Oh yeah, I had just forgotten about it, or hoped it was some better. But it isn't.
I think the bigger point I was thinking of, and communicated it poorly in that post. Was that it wasn't one thing wrong tonight. There are multiple major fundamental problems with this offense. And it's just really settling in as a reality now. I had hopes it wasn't this bad, but we got some big problems.
Agreed, problem for many years.
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Hopefully Richardson can save us. I have him coming near the end of the season in my preview and winning a couple.
Even more disturbing. This was after a bye week where Mess said they used the first week to just improve themselves, then worked on Tech the second week. My god, imagine if they hadn't had that week to improve.
Dude, you either aren't wathcing or delusional if you think this was on one guy tonight.
Not gonna read all the pages, but just to put in my .02
Our future is not Jared Barnett. Joel Lanning is a much better QB and I haven't seen Trevor Hodge but I'm sure he is great as well. Steele Jantz is not a good quarterback this year and should be benched if he starts off bad next week.
Sam Richardson can run AND pass. If anything, he should be our second string. If Jantz is benched, give Richardson some PT. Barnett, IMO, can not pass well enough at this level.
Our future is not Jared Barnett. Joel Lanning is a much better QB and I haven't seen Trevor Hodge but I'm sure he is great as well. Steele Jantz is not a good quarterback this year and should be benched if he starts off bad next week.
Sam Richardson can run AND pass. If anything, he should be our second string. If Jantz is benched, give Richardson some PT. Barnett, IMO, can not pass well enough at this level.
I won't call out a player, but a certain QB would be more comfortable in a pro set offense. However, the coaches of this QB are madly in love with the zone read offense. Unless one of these two variables change, expect more of the same the rest of the year.
Fail.
How would Aaron Rodgers be without an OL? Oh yeah, human. We are finding that out this year.
Normally I would agree with an assertion like this, however I have a difficult time believing that Jantz gives us a better chance to win than Barnett. Jantz cannot run the spread option and oftentimes makes the incorrect read. Plus he is a senior and has shown zero improvement from last year. And quite frankly he has a serious confidence problem that is unlikely to get alot better. Hell, he played absolutely horrible in the 2nd half against Iowa and the only way we escaped Iowa City with a W is because of the tremendous play by our defense.
Barnett may not have the strongest arm but he makes the correct reads and I can live with that. It is difficult for me to understand how a RS Fr. can lead a team to a victory over the #2 ranked team in the country and then somehow lose the starting job. Rhoads and Messingham saw the same stuff from Jantz tonight (from the first drive) that they saw in the second half of the Iowa game. Rhoads says we need to value the ball and is always concerned about losing the TO margin and yet he continues to start the TO machine in Jantz. Every single game that we stick with Jantz is another game that we are taking away from the development of Jared Barnett in my opinion.
I bet Rodgers wouldn't have dropped the ball running all alone in clean air. He's just not good, and specifically he's not good at running zone read. He wasn't last year either.
NOBODY turns the ball over as much as Steele. It's part of him or something. He can't get away from it.
In a vacuum SJ is the best option.
However, he is bad on the zone read, which is apparently the only way we plan on running the ball. He get's flustered easily (in terms of having a pocket and pressure, Steele turns a leak into a flood) which is not good when you take an average Oline and make it bad due to a poor scheme.
If there is any good news from such pathetic play by the offense, is that there is nothing to lose in terms of making drastic, fundamental changes in scheme. Time for Mess to get creative.
However, he is bad on the zone read, which is apparently the only way we plan on running the ball. He get's flustered easily (in terms of having a pocket and pressure, Steele turns a leak into a flood) which is not good when you take an average Oline and make it bad due to a poor scheme.
If there is any good news from such pathetic play by the offense, is that there is nothing to lose in terms of making drastic, fundamental changes in scheme. Time for Mess to get creative.
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