Nikki Moody sues Bill Fennelly over Racial Discrimination...

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LOL. Yeah, because holding a defiant press conference to say "I am who I am and if you don't like it, tough ****." - which is basically what he said today - is completely innocuous and could never be used by an opposing attorney.

ANYTHING he says can (and will) be twisted to suit agendas...yours and others. However, being apologetic will definitely work in Moody's favor.
 

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They can use it but it will have less effect than if he said "Yeah what I did was wrong", basically admitting to the claims.

I'm not saying he should admit he did wrong. Especially if he doesn't believe it. All I said was some hint that this has given him even a moment of pause about the way he treats his players would go a long way. It just strikes me as the height of arrogance that not even a lawsuit alleging racial discrimination and degrading treatment would shake you from your belief that your way is "the right way."
 

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I'm not saying he should admit he did wrong. Especially if he doesn't believe it. All I said was some hint that this has given him even a moment of pause about the way he treats his players would go a long way. It just strikes me as the height of arrogance that not even a lawsuit alleging racial discrimination and degrading treatment would shake you from your belief that your way is "the right way."

I dunno - the multitude of former players coming to his defense might be helping to perpetuate his faith in his way of coaching...
 

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Who would you listen too? People who know you and have your best interest at heart or people who don't like you and have an agenda against you.
 

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Who would you listen too? People who know you and have your best interest at heart or people who don't like you and have an agenda against you.

Some of those lines are a little blurred, too. Some of the girls standing up for him say that they had their problems with him also...but that it was generally due to their lack of effort, not because of any discrimination on his part.
 

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I'm not saying he should admit he did wrong. Especially if he doesn't believe it. All I said was some hint that this has given him even a moment of pause about the way he treats his players would go a long way. It just strikes me as the height of arrogance that not even a lawsuit alleging racial discrimination and degrading treatment would shake you from your belief that your way is "the right way."

He is not on trial for being an intense coach (or "jerk" for some of the posters here) but on racism. So the fact that he doesn't need to change is attitude is appropriate in this context. He has never been a racist, treat everyone equally and doesn't feel the need to treat certain players differently based on their race.
 

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Fennelly is being sued for "racial discrimination". Pretty obvious he is a hard nosed coach. But what Nikki Moody is suing him for seems to be unwarranted. Sounds like Nikki Moody is using the legal system to extract her revenge for Coach Fennelly being tough on her.....like he was with all his players. Ask Jessica Schroll. A white player who Fennelly was extremely tough on. Racial discrimination? No. Fennelly is just a hard *** coach.
 

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Bill will definitely change the way he coaches after this, however as other have said he can't publicly admit to anything based on the claims. He knows that people generally don't escape unscathed if another suit like this surfaces.
 

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Bill will definitely change the way he coaches after this, however as other have said he can't publicly admit to anything based on the claims. He knows that people generally don't escape unscathed if another suit like this surfaces.

I've wondered if he keeps his temper in check and acts differently when coaching the USA team in the World University Games a few years back.
 

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I'm not saying he should admit he did wrong. Especially if he doesn't believe it. All I said was some hint that this has given him even a moment of pause about the way he treats his players would go a long way. It just strikes me as the height of arrogance that not even a lawsuit alleging racial discrimination and degrading treatment would shake you from your belief that your way is "the right way."

If what the lawsuit asserts is untrue, why should he change?
 

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I'm not saying he should admit he did wrong. Especially if he doesn't believe it. All I said was some hint that this has given him even a moment of pause about the way he treats his players would go a long way. It just strikes me as the height of arrogance that not even a lawsuit alleging racial discrimination and degrading treatment would shake you from your belief that your way is "the right way."

Agree with most of what you say. "If" Moody was called a thug that would be pretty bad, but I do not believe CBF is racist and I have no doubt he loves his players and ISU. However he no doubt has a little of Bobby Knight in him the way he treats his players on the sideline, and that old school stuff probably needs to go. As sensitive as Bill is I wonder how he would react to being so publicly berated. I think the tears we saw yesterday tell us.
 

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Having just sat through discrimination litigousy training with our attorneys this weekend, I feel sorry for what's about to come for BF.
 

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Agree with most of what you say. "If" Moody was called a thug that would be pretty bad, but I do not believe CBF is racist and I have no doubt he loves his players and ISU. However he no doubt has a little of Bobby Knight in him the way he treats his players on the sideline, and that old school stuff probably needs to go. As sensitive as Bill is I wonder how he would react to being so publicly berated. I think the tears we saw yesterday tell us.

I don't think the tears are related to publicly berated but unfairly accused as racist. This is a charge that can ruin careers. As we know, someone's career can be ruined just because of being sued for racism, harrasment, etc.
i think BF can stand if if fans call him out publicly for the team not making NCAA in a season. It's part of being a coach.
 

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Having just sat through discrimination litigousy training with our attorneys this weekend, I feel sorry for what's about to come for BF.

Definitely won't be fun for Moody too. I had similar trainings in the past with the company's legal
counsel and he mentioned that during these cases, if the company believes that you are innocent, the company will back you up because as always, the plaintiff will sue everyone up to the xth layer. But if the company doesn't believe that you are innocent, they'll leave you alone.

we know that The University has backed BF and I expect them to have their day on the court.
 

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Definitely won't be fun for Moody too. I had similar trainings in the past with the company's legal
counsel and he mentioned that during these cases, if the company believes that you are innocent, the company will back you up because as always, the plaintiff will sue everyone up to the xth layer. But if the company doesn't believe that you are innocent, they'll leave you alone.

we know that The University has backed BF and I expect them to have their day on the court.

True, however, what most people don't get is that intent or lack thereof doesn't mean jack.
 

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True, however, what most people don't get is that intent or lack thereof doesn't mean jack.

Agreed. In harrasment cases, it doesn't matter what the intent is - if the recipient of the act(s) feels that it is a harrasment, then he/she has a ground to sue.
 

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I don't think the tears are related to publicly berated but unfairly accused as racist. This is a charge that can ruin careers. As we know, someone's career can be ruined just because of being sued for racism, harrasment, etc.
i think BF can stand if if fans call him out publicly for the team not making NCAA in a season. It's part of being a coach.

True and I wouldn't compare the racism allegations to screaming at players during a game. But part of the press conference covered his aggressive treatment of players and Bill was pretty defensive about it and basically said he wasn't going to change. He might want to put himself in the place of an 18-22 year old player who already feels bad about messing up, then gets more publicly embarrassed by getting screamed at by her coach in front of her family, friends, and thousands of people at the game and watching on tv. I wouldn't call it bullying but some sensitive types might, and Bill himself seems pretty sensitive. Just think it would be a good idea for Bill to take a good look at that part of his coaching style.