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Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Gordyo5, Jan 7, 2019.
Dany and Cersei were going to level the town regardless. Dragon fire was going off that Cersei had planted amongst her population. Those people were dead regardless.
This whole season reminded my wife and I of HIMYM finale...too fast and jumping around without the development. I don't have an issue with the plot points, however there is so much missing leading up to these points and both seasons 7 and especially season 8 required ten episode seasons.
Dany IS a Targaryen! Finally embarrassing the dragon. Took way too long.
Except none of them were dead until Dany started burning down the city AFTER the surrender.
Screw the people. She is the queen now and that's what she wanted.
Except it has been set up over seasons. As the viewer, we're just given her perspective and so we see all of her actions as justified. Example, season one, she burned Mirri Maz Duur for taking revenge on her and Drogo for attacking, raping, enslaving, and murdering her people. It's similar to the story arc, Arya goes through while imprisoned at Harrenhal, but from the opposite perspective. Mirri Maz Duur probably felt very justified in her actions.
Manderly was awesome in the books.
Yep, it was like the writers were like "we really have to convince people Dany is mad when we havent set it up well... and just collateral damage from burning the red keep isnt enough to make everyone believe it... so lets have her burn down the entire ******* city, no one will be able to argue she's nuts after that".
They had a result they wanted to get to, and forced the story a certain direction in order to get it there. Which is the opposite of what made GoT good. What made GoT good was being willing to follow the story to a shocking conclusion, even if it meant a major character died.
Kind of the opposite for me, I was surprised they were so good last episode. Tonight is how I'd expect it to go, it'd be like trying to hit a fly with a dart.
I agree with this. It feels rushed.
Nobody in power surrendered. Dragon fire was going off because troops entered the city. They entered the city to fight Cersei's army and to kill Cersei. You could re-write the entire series and eliminate all the stupid decisions that lead to this, but those people were dead. Cersei would not surrender and leave the city and its people - she demonstrated that when she killed all those people a few seasons ago. A little over the top? Sure but fake war in fairy land is hell.
You're using that as an example of her madness? Seriously?
Literally any other character on the show would have killed her for that too.
Dany also fulfilled the prophecy that she saw in the House of the Undying, where she approaches the Iron Throne in ruins (but she never sits in it).
I was more dumbfounded with Arya’s “thank you” moment compared to anything Dany did this episode. Arya spent 8 seasons wanting to kill Cersei and she just gives up because the Hound told her to? “You don’t want to end up like me” - She helped you mow down those Lannister soldiers in the Tavern and then left you for dead, which is right out of your book Clegane. That was weak writing and deserved better.
And who all did Cersei have backing her up at that point? The Mountain and Qyburn. That's it. Her navy was dead and her army surrendered. She's a dead woman waiting her fate in the Keep.
So, are Jamie and Cersei really dead? I kind of hope they are, because I think it would be really cheap to bring them back to life after having had about 10 tons of rubble fall on top of them, but at the same time if they are in fact gone from Westeros that was a pretty anti-climatic way to go out for two of the biggest characters in the whole series.
They've been hinting at it since the beginning of the series, I mean they even point out a few of the instances in the after show discussion. Obviously it's gone into overdrive of the last couple seasons, but the idea that she was unhinged didn't just show up.
I'm using it as an example of perspective. As the viewer, we've been set up to side with Dany. We justify a lot of her actions because we get to see her motivations. That doesn't mean that it's the only way to see them.
This makes no sense, the battle was over. No one was going to slaughter a city, or had the capability, until she snapped.