Game of Thrones Season 8

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  1. Angie

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    The Dany thing is absolutely in keeping with her past - the wizards, Mereen, the Dothraki, the witch who effectively killed Drogo. She is ruthless against her enemies and those who don’t bow to her rule - which, by the way, has only been her design since her husband melted her brother’s head. The city was standing by Cersei by not evacuating, in Dany’s eyes (that had just recently lost Jorah and another dragon and Missandei, as well as been betrayed by Varys and with Jon not obeying her and then refusing to bone his aunt again). She was riddled with grief and anger, and has never exactly been known for moderating those emotions. When she lost Drogo, she walked into a fire.

    If anything, I found Grey Worm losing his mind more out-of-character, even with his grief. He and Jon will battle next week. I think Arya will kill (or try to) Dany. I don’t think Tyrion survives. Not sure about Jon. I think the episode was logical - the only thing that disappointed me was Jaime losing all of that character development over the past few seasons. If there even is a monarchy at this point, I would guess Sansa or Gendry will rule.
     
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    He's going out of his way to justify mass murder. "The one person in power hadn't surrendered". Yeah, well, the power behind the one person in power was already dead or had surrendered. So in reality, how much power did that "one person in power" actually have at that point?
     
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    And that was known to the tens of thousands of Dany and her army HOW? I honestly thought the bell plot line was going to be a set-up and Jon would once again make a battlefield blunder and they would be decimated again.
     
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    Unless Arya does something next week, her whole journey to King's Landing was pointless. Also my wife and I felt she had a Gandalf moment where there was a white horse just randomly showing up for her with the death and destruction around it.
     
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    I was predicting they would die in each others arms but my Disney self wanted him to kill her than kill himself. Her death was anti-climatic and maybe its in line with the early shock value of killing beloved characters in that you end up with zero satisfaction after 8 seasons of trying to kill her.
     
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    Tens of thousands of soldiers sacking the city from different gate breaches. They might not have gotten the "stop" tweet.

    Kill 'em all and let the many faced god sort 'em out.
     
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    I agree with this - they have been setting this up for the entire series, but up to this point have made her look justified, or at least sympathetic, in the process. The shock and awe in this episode is there was nothing justified or sympathetic about Dany's actions in this entire episode. In character? Sure - we've been turning a blind eye for the last several seasons about her capacity to do this, especially the way she conquered Slaver's Bay. But just because it was in character doesn't mean she was justified in doing it, and there's certainly nothing sympathetic about her at this point.
     
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    Death rides a pale horse?
     
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    At this point, I'm only watching the finale to say I made it to the end. I'm ******* furious. The ONLY part of this episode that I was happy with was Arya/CleganeBowl. Cersei's death was lame as ****, and I'll never forgive the writers for just throwing years of outstanding character development out the ******* window with Jaime.
     
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    So we're going to ensure the Lannister army has surrendered by torching the civilians nowhere near the Lannister army. Brilliant plan by a sane leader.
     
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    I am definitely not saying there was anything justified or sympathetic. I am saying that is due to our change in perspective, not an inconsistency in the character. She does not regulate her emotions well, and she just had several huge losses on each others’ backs. Bigger losses = bigger reaction.
     
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    #2312 ISUChippewa, May 12, 2019
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    The EW.com recap (Entertainment Weekly) goes into your first part pretty well. I'll link it at the end.

    I have disagree about Arya's arc; I know there's been a lot of discussion about the character development arc of Jamie, and how going back to Cersei and dying with her totally ruined the point of all that, and while I don't disagree with that, I have to wonder if the character arc D&D really have in mind is that of Arya's.

    She's a "good character", but right up until now (well, starting when her father's head got chopped off), her whole motivation has been getting revenge, whether that's justified or not. Now, she realizes that there is more to life than just that, thanks to one last pep talk from Sandor. Now, I do realize that earlier in the thread I've advocated for her to take out Dany in the finale, but I honestly do think that would be more about justice for the innocents slaughtered than revenge for the sake of revenge, as well as to make sure the Mad Queen can't torch any more innocents.

    https://ew.com/recap/game-of-thrones-season-8-episode-5/
     
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    Agree about Grey Worm. A life as a slave warrior trained to not have emotion fear etc. and he abandoned that in a heartbeat.

    Dany is concerned about the throne - nothing else and her entire story arc has told us she is ruthless to that end. She is now queen of the 7 kingdoms so there are LOTS of people left in the known world to rule (and burn of need be).
     
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    #2314 Bret44, May 12, 2019
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    I'd like to think the last thing through Qyburn's head, besides the Mountain's fingers, was why am I the way I am?
     
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    Who cares Daenerys is queen now
     
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    If there was 1 brilliant plan in the 8 seasons we never go 8 seasons.

    What was the option - just lay siege and wait for all the people inside to die miserable starvation and disease deaths and THEN have Cersei torch the entire city with dragon fire?

    In the end, Cersei is Dany and Dany is Cersei. Both want power and try to secure and keep it with reckless abandon.
     
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    I'm pretty sure he's just straight up trolling by this point.
     
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    I don't know about Grey Worm. The whole story arc on the unsullied since Dany freed them was them losing some of the trappings of their brutal upbringing and allowing themselves to reclaim some of their humanity. Grey Worm's romance with missandei is a perfect example of this. And with her taken from him, he's having a very emotional response, which sort of continues that story arc as I see it.
     
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    Disagree here. He and Missandei's romance started a long time ago. He said in season 7 that he now knows fear (fear of not seeing Missandei of Naath again). We had never seen him react like this before, but that doesn't mean it was out of character. It was the first time he had ever lost someone who he deeply loved; we really had no way of knowing what would be "in character" for him after her death, because what she meant to him and her death were both completely unprecedented things/events in his life.
     
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