Game of Thrones Season 8

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  1. jdoggivjc

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    I care because it’s the last episode. I’ve invested a lot of my time watching the last 8 seasons and I want to see how it plays out, especially, for all we know, this might very well be the only final resolution we get on the books as well.

    That being said, I don’t know how they fix the WTF that was created in this last episode, or if they even intend to.
     
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    It's fitting that Benioff and Weiss are making a new Star Wars trilogy, because they totally "Last Jedi"-d this season of GOT. This series was built on strong female characters and that has gone out the window in recent weeks:

    Cersei - wallowing in Jaime's arms
    Dany - snapping as she hears the cries of thousands ("Meesa!")
    Arya - giving up on killing Cersei because The Hound tells her to
    Brienne - sobbing when Jaime leaves for Cersei, despite having been left/broken multiple times in her life

    It's becoming apparent that Benioff & Weiss relied more on GRRM's books to gain insight into these women and adapt them to the screen. Without the books, they are defaulting to negative/weak stereotypes of women that do not fit these characters. Go watch a series like Killing Eve - those writers are portraying women far better than GOT S8 has.
     
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  3. CycloneNorth

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    I people obviously have story issues but the cinematography was incredible. Seeing Arya powerless to save people was a pretty powerful sequence.
     
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    GRRM irony. The whole turn of the wheel began with Rhaegar stepping out on his wife and loving Lyanna, now it will be up to their child to end it.
     
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    I agree with the character assessment but it’s the opposite of TLJ where women were smarter and stronger than everyone else so that comparison doesn’t make sense.
     
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    Sorry, I meant to compare how The Last Jedi totally blew up the lore and "traditional" narrative that we had come to expect over 7 Star Wars films - that is what S8 GOT has done to some of their strongest characters.
     
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    This is fun. Dinklage about halfway through will some good stuff.

     
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    So is all this Brans fault? Why did Jon “Have to know”?
    #BranHasPlansForPower

    Jimlad kinda....
     
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    She's the Queen of Ashes
     
  10. CloniesForLife

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    This season has basically gone full on blockbuster movie mode. The scenes last night were awesome and they did a great job portraying the horror of what was going on but... the story telling isn't near as good as it has been.
     
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    I use a Kindle and increase the font
     
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    Agree. This was the only thing that really bothered me about that episode.
     
  13. Trice

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    There's been a lot of criticism of this season that IMO falls flat because it's simply a matter of people not liking the outcomes. They're emotionally invested in Dany and don't want to see her become what she has, and no pivot towards her character becoming mad could satisfy them.

    The show has hinted at Dany's mad turn for a long, long time. She could be kind and gracious and different - as long as she got her way. But when she didn't, she acted in ways that was really no different from anyone else. You'd think, for example, a Targaryen who wants to change her brand image might not embrace the spectacle of fiery death to kill many of her enemies when simple beheadings would have worked just fine, but nope! (And to be clear, I'm talking about situations like the Tarlys or Lord Varys, not battles. All's fair there, IMO.)

    But there's a lot of legitimate criticism too, that the storylines have felt forced and rushed at times. Relative to the show's pacing in previous seasons, Dany's turn toward madness has come pretty quickly. I guess we're supposed to believe that she is going to just suddenly snap because some of her trusted advisors were killed, after literally years of showing the enormous personal cost she has already paid building toward this moment. As I saw in one headline, it feels like the show is turning her into a crazy ex-girlfriend.

    It's not that she's gone mad or that she has killed innocents that bothers me (after all, that's what mad people do), it's that I feel like the setup has been executed poorly and doesn't do justice to her character.
     
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    Agree. I found myself feeling bad for her and had to consciously remind myself that she deserves whatever she gets.
     
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    It's more odd that the ballista were so effective in the dragon killing episode. They are wildly inaccurate, and I think the "story" was that she took them from directly above (initially) and then kept low to the water to keep below their targeting arc (and then took the ones on the wall in the flank). That makes some sense at least.

    I'm still enjoying the series just fine, but I was struck last night by how hard it is to kill off a character in a satisfying manner when they've been built up so much, over so long a period.
     
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  16. Mr Janny

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    Well put. The issue is not what has happened. It's how rushed it has felt. Anyone who says that Danny's character turn comes out of nowhere, hasn't been paying attention.
     
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    Yeah, think back to season 5 when she fed that innocent guy to the dragons because she thought they were responsible for the sons of the harpy killing Sir Barriston.
     
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    I hated that too...but noticed that maybe she had learned and changed her tactics a bit. I had conversations with friends about the dragon battle a few episodes ago and thought she needed better air-air/air-ground tactics. In this episode she attacked by using the sun to blind her position. Without the aid of tech, you are essentially blinding the defenders. Also, she did MUCH better about changing her heading and AoA. You can notice the dragon flying super low to the ocean after she wiped out the fleet and was making her first strafing run. My assumptions where on parallel with old AA guns, they are designed to be pointed UP in the sky. My thoughts were maybe the ballistas in an elevated position were not capable of pointing DOWN at the sea.
     
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    Medieval warfare. Destroy enemy infrastructure, eliminate their will to fight, revenge...
     
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    It's moments away from being her infrastructure, they had already surrendered, and she's now all but guaranteed someone will kill her for her slaughtering the city.

    I really don't agree with the angle that she's shown to be a potential mass murderer, but at least there is some logic there. The idea that it was strategic is nonsense.
     
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