Game of Thrones Season 8

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The Dany thing is absolutely in keeping with her past - the wizards, Mereen, the Dothraki, the witch who effectively killed Drogo. She is ruthless against her enemies and those who don’t bow to her rule - which, by the way, has only been her design since her husband melted her brother’s head. The city was standing by Cersei by not evacuating, in Dany’s Eyes (that had just recently lost Jorah and another dragon and Missandei, as well as been betrayed by Varys and with Jon not obeying her and then boning his aunt). She was riddled with grief and anger, and has never exactly been known for moderating those emotions. When she lost Drogo, she went into a fire.

If anything, I found Grey worm losing his mind more out-of-character, even with his grief. He and Jon will battle next week. I think Arya will kill (or try to) Dany. I don’t think Tyrion survives. Not sure about Jon. I think the episode was logical - the only thing that disappointed me was Jaime losing all of that character development over the past few seasons. If there even is a monarchy at this point, I would guess Sansa or Gendry will rule.
Agree about Grey Worm. A life as a slave warrior trained to not have emotion fear etc. and he abandoned that in a heartbeat.

Dany is concerned about the throne - nothing else and her entire story arc has told us she is ruthless to that end. She is now queen of the 7 kingdoms so there are LOTS of people left in the known world to rule (and burn of need be).
 
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So we're going to ensure the Lannister army has surrendered by torching the civilians nowhere near the Lannister army. Brilliant plan by a sane leader.
If there was 1 brilliant plan in the 8 seasons we never go 8 seasons.

What was the option - just lay siege and wait for all the people inside to die miserable starvation and disease deaths and THEN have Cersei torch the entire city with dragon fire?

In the end, Cersei is Dany and Dany is Cersei. Both want power and try to secure and keep it with reckless abandon.
 

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Agree about Grey Worm. A life as a slave warrior trained to not have emotion fear etc. and he abandoned that in a heartbeat.

Dany is concerned about the throne - nothing else and her entire story arc has told us she is ruthless to that end. She is now queen of the 7 kingdoms so there are LOTS of people left in the known world to rule (and burn of need be).
I don't know about Grey Worm. The whole story arc on the unsullied since Dany freed them was them losing some of the trappings of their brutal upbringing and allowing themselves to reclaim some of their humanity. Grey Worm's romance with missandei is a perfect example of this. And with her taken from him, he's having a very emotional response, which sort of continues that story arc as I see it.
 

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Agree about Grey Worm. A life as a slave warrior trained to not have emotion fear etc. and he abandoned that in a heartbeat.

Dany is concerned about the throne - nothing else and her entire story arc has told us she is ruthless to that end. She is now queen of the 7 kingdoms so there are LOTS of people left in the known world to rule (and burn of need be).
Disagree here. He and Missandei's romance started a long time ago. He said in season 7 that he now knows fear (fear of not seeing Missandei of Naath again). We had never seen him react like this before, but that doesn't mean it was out of character. It was the first time he had ever lost someone who he deeply loved; we really had no way of knowing what would be "in character" for him after her death, because what she meant to him and her death were both completely unprecedented things/events in his life.
 
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I don't know about Grey Worm. The whole story arc on the unsullied since Dany freed them was them losing some of the trappings of their brutal upbringing and allowing themselves to reclaim some of their humanity. Grey Worm's romance with missandei is a perfect example of this. And with her taken from him, he's having a very emotional response, which sort of continues that story arc as I see it.
Maybe he is just reverting to his true self like Jamie. Grey Worm is a trained blood-thirty killer - raised and trained that way and while he "strayed" he ended up as he started. Jaime as well but I hated the "tease" that he was turning good.
 

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I had been ok with the season but disappointed with some of the decisions so far. After tonight I just flat out don't like it. They went too far with the whole mad queen thing. I knew that's where they were going. That was obvious. But still, they didn't have to have her burn the whole city and have her army suddenly turn in to rapers and murderers of women and children. It makes no sense. They could have gotten there but they needed a couple more seasons. The way it has played out seems totally forced and unearned. They started rushing through the whole thing last season and the show has suffered greatly for it.
 
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Nobody in power surrendered. Dragon fire was going off because troops entered the city. They entered the city to fight Cersei's army and to kill Cersei. You could re-write the entire series and eliminate all the stupid decisions that lead to this, but those people were dead. Cersei would not surrender and leave the city and its people - she demonstrated that when she killed all those people a few seasons ago. A little over the top? Sure but fake war in fairy land is hell.
Whatever happens in the rest of this thread, we should all take a moment and appreciate the best sentence the Internet will have in quite some time.

Get that man a medal or something!
 
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They've been hinting at it since the beginning of the series, I mean they even point out a few of the instances in the after show discussion. Obviously it's gone into overdrive of the last couple seasons, but the idea that she was unhinged didn't just show up.
Nope
Impulsive, felt the need to use a heavy hand, yes but unhinges, not even close but good try.
 

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At this point, I'm only watching the finale to say I made it to the end. I'm ******* furious. The ONLY part of this episode that I was happy with was Arya/CleganeBowl. Cersei's death was lame as ****, and I'll never forgive the writers for just throwing years of outstanding character development out the ******* window with Jaime.
Me too. Who is going to be a good ruler?

Dany is apparently going to burn everyone past sense.

Jon is flat out stupid.

Tyrion is also now stupid

Sansa is Cersei apparently.

I don’t even care at this point. Whoever sits it won’t deserve it.
 

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I'm pretty sure he's just straight up trolling by this point.
Actually no. I'm firmly behind her exploits in this TV show because it's a TV show and there are no "right" answers. If we all liked the same characters for the same reasons I'd be disappointed. The entire series has set these characters up as way more complex than good or bad, mad or sane, competent or not. Is Dany bad? Is Jon good? Arya? Sansa? I've wanted Cersei to die from day one. Same with Sansa - can't stand her character.

Probably a win for the show that it creates a WIDE swath of like/dislike for a GIANT cast of fatally flawed characters.
 

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I think there's a certain "come full circle" that Varys ended up dying in a very similar circumstance to how Ned Stark died - treason. Or, at least, treason by trying to inform the public that there was someone with a better claim to the Iron Throne (Stannis Baratheon for Ned; Jon Snow/Aegon Targaryen for Varys).
 

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Maybe he is just reverting to his true self like Jamie. Grey Worm is a trained blood-thirty killer - raised and trained that way and while he "strayed" he ended up as he started. Jaime as well but I hated the "tease" that he was turning good.
Sorry, you're 100% wrong on this. The Unsullied are the exact opposite of bloodthirsty. That's why they are such valued soldiers. They don't kill for fun. They don't rape and pillage. They don't act out of emotion. That's their whole schtick. Cold blooded? Sure. Bloodthirsty? Not even a little. Grey Worm's actions are absolutely NOT a reversion to his training.
 
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