*** COACHING SEARCH THREAD: Friday, June 5 ***

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Cyclonestate78

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The two seasons before Underwood took over at SFA they went 12-4 and 16-2 in conference and 20-12 and 27-5 overall. I would not call that a little success. He was handed a winning team as well.

What difference does it make if these guys took over winning programs or not? They are all looking at taking over a winning program at Iowa State. What they have shown is that they can take over winning programs and continue that success and all of their programs have gotten better since they have been there. Isn't that exactly what Iowa State is looking for? Someone that can come in and continue to build on the success the program has enjoyed the last 4 years and take it to the next level... they are all candidates capable of doing that.

The one wildcard is TJ... nobody knows what he can do. I would take any of these candidates over TJ.
 

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My opinion. If the guidance of Iowa State's Men's Basketball program rests upon Brad Underwood, Bryce Drew, or Steve Prohm we are in trouble! So sign up T.J. and see how he does. Disappointed Hornacek didn't emerge as a serious candidate and there were no other "proven" big name coaches out there.


Exactly. Agree. If TJ is successful, he stays a long time. If not, he's easy to buy-out and move on in a couple years. Everyone else seems like it would really be hard to move on if it doesn't work out well. So TJ appears to be the least worst.
 

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Buzz Williams went from what I would consider a major conference basketball program to Va Tech just last year.
Virginia Freakin Tech..

It most certainly can happen.

You're right, it most certainly can happen, even if it is rare, but the other big factor I think some people are forgetting is that it's June, not April or May. The late timing of this coaching search is hurting us in getting a "big time" name, if that was even possible in the first place.
 

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Just a question....I get that these are all so-called "mid-major" coaches. And I'm certainly not anti-TJ. But most of what I read is about Prohm/Underwood. Why are people not talking more about Bryce Drew? He did play in the NBA, and actually played with Fred for one year with the Bulls. He's had good success at Valpo, winning the conference this season after losing half of his scoring from the previous team, and took Maryland to the wire (lost by 3) in the NCAA tournament. So he's had NBA experience, assistant experience, and 4 years of head experience. Are people not talking about him more due to concerns of recruiting ability, playing style, personality, or what? Just curious. Again, I have no favorite in the list of four.

For me, it's the intangible "being Baylor's little brother" thing that bothers me. I realize that's not being very objective.
 
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It's sad we have a top 10 roster and we can't find a better pool of candidates.
 

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Who are people honestly expecting? I don't understand.

This is what I don't get. It's not helpful, but I bet in 5 years at least one of these guys will look like a fantastic hire. Look who Floeida just hired. He'd fit right in with this pool.

Don't screw it up!
 

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I think VT timed it perfectly because the Big East is falling apart and Buzz wanted to get out of town. Had Buzz decided to wait a year, he may have been considered a legitimate candidate for the ISU job.

While the circumstances are a tad different, your logic still makes sense. Virginia Tech has a bad basketball program and their gym is terrible (I know since I've been to the campus a few times - I'm a Virginia boy and originally wanted to go there for college but was smart enough to pick ISU instead). They also offered him less money than Marquette was paying him so it has to be possible to get a big buzz name (pun intended).

Buzz also had a difficult relationship with his Athletic Department, sort of colleges version of the Thibs/Bulls fiasco that got ISU to this point. When Williams left it came out of no where and shocked a lot of the CBB experts.

Considering the rumors of 2 possible mystery coaching there could be a similar situation with ISU talking to them. The coaches obviously wouldn't want their names getting out with the good possibility they would return to their P5 teams after flirting with a "lateral" move.
 

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Exactly. Agree. If TJ is successful, he stays a long time. If not, he's easy to buy-out and move on in a couple years. Everyone else seems like it would really be hard to move on if it doesn't work out well. So TJ appears to be the least worst.

If he isn't successful in a few years what is the state of the program going to be? Are we talking middle of the pack in the Big XII or back to the cellar where McDoormat had the program?
 

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After this year, we will need to rebuild. In order to sustain our success, that will mean getting top talent and playing that talent immediately. The best way to get that talent is to bring in a big name proven coach that attracks talent by name alone (unlikely), or by having a monster year next year and getting the pub that goes along with the great year. It seems the best chance we have of keeping the current players and getting them to gel well enough next year to have a monster year is to hire TJ. There clearly are risks (no hc experience, no national name recognition being the biggest). If we have a monster year, then TJ's name is immediately nationally recognized and he known as a "good coach". If we hire a proven mid-major or mid-level major coach, we get more experience, but risk getting the greatest potential from the team. Obviously that depends on the coach's philosophy and personality. In reality, we don't know exactly what Leath and Pollard are thinking or which direction they want to go, and I'm sure they are interviewing different types to determine what seems to make the most sense. All we can do is wait for the announcement and get behind whoever is hired. It gets very old reading posts that say why TJ or any other coaching will be great or terrible - no one knows at this time.
 

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Gentlemen and Ladies - I hope today's discussion is a bit better than yesterday. Yes, emotions are high, but frankly, much of it is embarrassing. I applaud CW and Jeremy for putting up with everyone's ****. I have not done the analysis, but there are a select few on CF that would prefer to argue or tear down rather than build something bigger. It is okay to have your opinion, but I do not have to see it 500 ******* times. If you are not going to contribute, please STFU.

You stay classy, my friend or internet tough guy which ever you prefer! :skeptical:
 

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Who are people honestly expecting? I don't understand.

Agree. Its June and there's probably coaches out there that don't know or feel about Iowa State the way we do. Its definitely not an easy place to recruit to, no hot-bed of high school talent, and let's face it, not everyone is drawn to the midwest. At least none of the four are trying to get out of a bad situation, they all have great jobs that they're willing to leave to come here. Would imagine that desire could show up in an interview as to who embraces it the most. Shoot, I want the best of both worlds...I want TJ to stay and be the best darn recruiter/associate coach ever AND get an experienced up-and-comer that would sustain the success of this program. Added bonus that they would work well together,be great friends, and of course play the exciting brand of basketball we're used to, as opponenets "Fear the Magic". Is my fantasy over yet??
 

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I personally have favored the Drew boys. No favorite for me unless ur talking Gregg marshall. Also Franschilla had success and he is well known. Not sure if he would make a decent coach. I agree At this point why hurry things. Take ur time and maybe someone big will come through.
 

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After this year, we will need to rebuild. In order to sustain our success, that will mean getting top talent and playing that talent immediately. The best way to get that talent is to bring in a big name proven coach that attracks talent by name alone (unlikely), or by having a monster year next year and getting the pub that goes along with the great year. It seems the best chance we have of keeping the current players and getting them to gel well enough next year to have a monster year is to hire TJ. There clearly are risks (no hc experience, no national name recognition being the biggest). If we have a monster year, then TJ's name is immediately nationally recognized and he known as a "good coach". If we hire a proven mid-major or mid-level major coach, we get more experience, but risk getting the greatest potential from the team. Obviously that depends on the coach's philosophy and personality. In reality, we don't know exactly what Leath and Pollard are thinking or which direction they want to go, and I'm sure they are interviewing different types to determine what seems to make the most sense. All we can do is wait for the announcement and get behind whoever is hired. It gets very old reading posts that say why TJ or any other coaching will be great or terrible - no one knows at this time.


This a million times.
 

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Buzz also had a difficult relationship with his Athletic Department, sort of colleges version of the Thibs/Bulls fiasco that got ISU to this point. When Williams left it came out of no where and shocked a lot of the CBB experts.

Considering the rumors of 2 possible mystery coaching there could be a similar situation with ISU talking to them. The coaches obviously wouldn't want their names getting out with the good possibility they would return to their P5 teams after flirting with a "lateral" move.

I keep hoping on of the "mystery" candidates is Larry Krystkowiak from Utah. I think he night be a good fit; and checks pretty much every box on everyone's wish list, except having a "big name."
 

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This is what I don't get. It's not helpful, but I bet in 5 years at least one of these guys will look like a fantastic hire. Look who Floeida just hired. He'd fit right in with this pool.

Don't screw it up!

id take everyone in this pool over who Florida hired
 

Cyclonestate78

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I wonder how CW feels about the high school twitter kids name dropping him when it comes to the Gregg Marshall info. Pretty sure all CW said was that it wasn't happening and that the source (high school kids on twitter aka @CycloneInsiders) were not credible.

CycloneInsiders ‏@CycloneInsiders · 13h13 hours ago
Marshall's name keeps showing up. Even Chris Williams said something about him today. The fact that some of you think I made it up is funny.
 
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