*** COACHING SEARCH THREAD: Friday, June 5 ***

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CyJack13

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My opinion. If the guidance of Iowa State's Men's Basketball program rests upon Brad Underwood, Bryce Drew, or Steve Prohm we are in trouble! So sign up T.J. and see how he does. Disappointed Hornacek didn't emerge as a serious candidate and there were no other "proven" big name coaches out there.

Proven big name coaches basically only move from one major conference job to another if it's an elite, Kansas, UNC, UCLA type program. The vast, vast majority of major conference hires are mid major coaches or assistants, which is exactly what kind of guys we're looking at. Not sure why anyone would expect it to be different for us.
 

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I think you should ask about the timeline of events that lead us here, specifically about Romar's comment. Does Fred have any idea to what Romar was referring? Romar's comment was a news story - the DM Register had an article in it, Keith mentioned it on WHO newscast.

I don't know...why ask questions we already know the answer to? I get the interest, but I think its obvious since the Bulls were very public about CFH being their only candidate, and interviewing in Orlando earlier, etc. what Romar meant. Once Matt left, it probably was a no-brainer for TJ to return. Thoughts might have been dangling in his head, but I don't think he was promised a head job, or that Fred wouldn't stay one more season to coach this team.
 

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Proven big name coaches basically only move from one major conference job to another if it's an elite, Kansas, UNC, UCLA type program. The vast, vast majority of major conference hires are mid major coaches or assistants, which is exactly what kind of guys we're looking at. Not sure why anyone would expect it to be different for us.


Buzz Williams went from what I would consider a major conference basketball program to Va Tech just last year.
Virginia Freakin Tech..

It most certainly can happen.
 

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My opinion. If the guidance of Iowa State's Men's Basketball program rests upon Brad Underwood, Bryce Drew, or Steve Prohm we are in trouble! So sign up T.J. and see how he does. Disappointed Hornacek didn't emerge as a serious candidate and there were no other "proven" big name coaches out there.

Just a question....I get that these are all so-called "mid-major" coaches. And I'm certainly not anti-TJ. But most of what I read is about Prohm/Underwood. Why are people not talking more about Bryce Drew? He did play in the NBA, and actually played with Fred for one year with the Bulls. He's had good success at Valpo, winning the conference this season after losing half of his scoring from the previous team, and took Maryland to the wire (lost by 3) in the NCAA tournament. So he's had NBA experience, assistant experience, and 4 years of head experience. Are people not talking about him more due to concerns of recruiting ability, playing style, personality, or what? Just curious. Again, I have no favorite in the list of four.
 

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Buzz Williams went from what I would consider a major conference basketball program to Va Tech just last year.
Virginia Freakin Tech..

It most certainly can happen.
I think VT timed it perfectly because the Big East is falling apart and Buzz wanted to get out of town. Had Buzz decided to wait a year, he may have been considered a legitimate candidate for the ISU job.

While the circumstances are a tad different, your logic still makes sense. Virginia Tech has a bad basketball program and their gym is terrible (I know since I've been to the campus a few times - I'm a Virginia boy and originally wanted to go there for college but was smart enough to pick ISU instead). They also offered him less money than Marquette was paying him so it has to be possible to get a big buzz name (pun intended).
 

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Let me ask another question ... If TJ Otz does not get the job, I suspect the next coach may want to keep him and/or be encouraged to keep him but what if TJ Otz does not want to stay?

What if he were to follow FH to the Bulls?

I think a lot of people are assuming TJ remains as lead assistant if he isn't the head coach. What if that is not the case?

Then he won't be at ISU.
 

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Proven big name coaches basically only move from one major conference job to another if it's an elite, Kansas, UNC, UCLA type program. The vast, vast majority of major conference hires are mid major coaches or assistants, which is exactly what kind of guys we're looking at. Not sure why anyone would expect it to be different for us.


Generally on on here it's either we get Popovich or just hire TJ...the guy who hasn't coached a single game. No in between. TJ has sat around the campfire and sang kumbaya with the fellas and that just brings to much comfort for 90% on here to look elsewhere. I've come to the conclusion that it's hopeless arguing against.
 

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Generally on on here it's either we get Popovich or just hire TJ...the guy who hasn't coached a single game. No in between. TJ has sat around the campfire and sang kumbaya with the fellas and that just brings to much comfort for 90% on here to look elsewhere. I've come to the conclusion that it's hopeless arguing against.

still working on your Pollard disaster hire list?
 

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I think VT timed it perfectly because the Big East is falling apart and Buzz wanted to get out of town. Had Buzz decided to wait a year, he may have been considered a legitimate candidate for the ISU job.

While the circumstances are a tad different, your logic still makes sense. Virginia Tech has a bad basketball program and their gym is terrible (I know since I've been to the campus a few times - I'm a Virginia boy and originally wanted to go there for college but was smart enough to pick ISU instead). They also offered him less money than Marquette was paying him so it has to be possible to get a big buzz name (pun intended).

Cuonzo Martin went to Cal, not a huge name, but guy can coach and recruit, again he probably was eventually going to get pushed out at Tennessee. Though Cal actually has some good hoops history.

But the poster is right for the most part these guys do not make a jump unless its to a blue blood or to the NBA :-(

Their are older examples, Lute Olson leaving Iowa for a horrible Arizona program
Johnny leaving Michigan for a horrible ISU program etc.

But in this day and age with salaries so large does not happen as much. Does not mean ISU should not make inquiries to some of these guys.

Last I checked Dixon's buyout was $1 million, but not sure if it got bumped up on his most recent extension.
 
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Cuonzo Martin went to Cal, not a huge name, but guy can coach and recruit, again he probably was eventually going to get pushed out at Tennessee. Though Cal actually has some good hoops history.

But the poster is right for the most part these guys do not make a jump unless its to a blue blood or to the NBA :-(

Their are older examples, Lute Olson leaving Iowa for a horrible Arizona program
Johnny leaving Michigan for a horrible ISU program etc.

But in this day and age with salaries so large does not happen as much.
Buzz surprisingly took a pay cut to leave Marquette. Marquette was paying him $2.8 and the Hokies are only giving him $2.3.
 

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Generally on on here it's either we get Popovich or just hire TJ...the guy who hasn't coached a single game. No in between. TJ has sat around the campfire and sang kumbaya with the fellas and that just brings to much comfort for 90% on here to look elsewhere. I've come to the conclusion that it's hopeless arguing against.

The last thing we need is to hire another coach who can't get out of the first round.
 
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