Bubu kicked off team??!!
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No one wants a dude that has averaged like 2 ppg in his career and may have raped a girl.
Bubu has more to worry about than one year of basketball somewhere. Unfortunate for all concerned in this.
I'm sorry, but I still don't get this. If our legal system could not find the evidence to prosecute him, and the evidence they did find they did not feel was very reliable or factual.....then how did the university find that he violated some policy for students? Is the code of conduct more strict than the law? I find that a little hard to believe.
Also, I think it was stupid on his part to get involved in this situation, but I also have to feel for Bubu here a little bit. I mean, he gets cleared by the legal system, seems to put his act back together......appearing to work hard, playing well this summer, etc...and then his school, months later, boots him off the team? That truly sucks and seems a little unfair, imo.
Also, I think it was stupid on his part to get involved in this situation, but I also have to feel for Bubu here a little bit. I mean, he gets cleared by the legal system, seems to put his act back together......appearing to work hard, playing well this summer, etc...and then his school, months later, boots him off the team? That truly sucks and seems a little unfair, imo.
The student code of conduct at the ISU website says this:
[h=4]4.2.5 Sexual Misconduct, Sexual Assault, and Sexual Harassment[/h]Sexual misconduct, sexual assault and sexual harassment are prohibited as stated in the university's policy regarding Sexual Misconduct, Sexual Assault, and Sexual Harassment Involving Students. Sexual misconduct is a broad term encompassing any non-consensual behavior of a sexual nature that is committed by force or intimidation, or that is otherwise unwelcome. The term includes sexual assault, sexual exploitation, sexual intimidation, and sexual harassment as those behaviors are described in the university's policy regarding Sexual Misconduct, Sexual Assault, and Sexual Harassment Involving Students.
So it is actually more general and could encompass a range of behaviors. Anything that is intimidating or unwelcome.
Well...Steve Alford might...
In all seriousness though, if I was Bubu I might want to get as far away from ISU as possible. Think about it; whether or not you think he's guilty of something, even just poor judgement at the very least, the fact is that all charges against him were dropped, and he was able to play basketball again and re-start his life. Then, 4 and a half freakin' months after the basketball season is over and just over a month before practice starts for the next season you're kicked off the team because of an appeal process? Again, regardless of your feelings towards him, that's a huge kick to the b*lls and teeth at the same time.
It would not surprise me at all to see him transfer away to get one last season of basketball, even at a Division II school, just to get the h#ll away from Ames after this. And frankly I wouldn't blame him at all.
Wow......looking at that.....I think every male student at ISU that I went to school with would have been in trouble.
But still......the law could did not have enough evidence to prosecute him, and did not find the witness/complainant credible, but ISU found something? Do they have their own investigators? Can Bubu appeal the decision? I don't know.....it just all seems a little sketchy to me, especially since it happened so long after he was cleared and re-instated to the team. I mean come on.......7 months to "investigate" this and make a decision?
Certainly this was surprising news to all of us, but it strikes me as unlikely that Bubu and the coaching staff and/or athletic department didn't know this was at least a possibility. Maybe they were surprised by the outcome too, I don't know, but they had to know it might happen.
Things like this never happen without ample reason. My guess is that the legal department also weighed in on this and found that there was a lot of evidence to point to that would support the administration and coaches who kick off a fairly high profile basketball player who is an Ames native and who has parents who work for the university.
This was not a decision taken lightly or without care.
Sometimes you have to cut off the bad flesh to allow the rest of the body to remain healthy.
This was not a decision taken lightly or without care.
Sometimes you have to cut off the bad flesh to allow the rest of the body to remain healthy.
I think that is a great idea - that he transfer; wonder if he will transfer in order to get one more season in. Hard to tell.
What seems to have escaped everyone so far is 1) who initiated the appeal, and 2) what was the basis for the appeal? Often, this type of "judicial process" does not have as high a standard of evidence to be successful as the court of law - and indeed should not have, as the legal system has much greater power to impose sanctions including jail time.
Also lost in the discussion is the "other party" involved in this case. Being able to discredit the victim may win you a pass in the courts, but not in a university judicial panel. For further explanation, go to Hawkeye website.
Finally, the point has also been made that the coach and Palo knew this was in the works. The outcome may be a surprise, but the proceedings would not be. Hoiberg is probably hugely disappointed at many levels, not the least of which is the loss of a potential starter or at least active bench contributor so late in the period leading up to the season start. He clearly had a soft spot for Palo and this would be a serious kick in the groin to him. This is not good all around.
So, has Bubu been kicked out of school? Also, is this process transparent to the student where he gets a chance to provide a defense?
police can decide whether to arrest someone, but prosecutors decide whether to prosecute. When I worked as a prosecutor, I had to decide whether I had enough evidence to prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt. If the alleged victim planted evidence, I doubt I would prosecute since it would have damaged her credibility. In these cases, it usually comes down to she said, he said.
But if the credibility is damaged by this, shouldnt that also apply to the university?
I know a lot of universities have things like this, but i am not sure i'm a fan of the lack of transparency in such judicial boards run by a governmental institution.
Student privacy laws are real ironclad. It's not something the general public needs to know about. You won't ever get the answers to any of the questions you have.
Not going to read the thread of answered questions but is it too late for ISU to fill that scholarship?
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