Bubu kicked off team??!!

[bluestarcyclone]

Student privacy laws are real ironclad. It's not something the general public needs to know about. You won't ever get the answers to any of the questions you have.

The real question is should they be, especially if public universities are basically putting people on trial separate from the normal judicial system. I dont necessarily need to know about every civil or criminal case out there either, but those are typically open.

 

[nallen34]

Bubu has more to worry about than one year of basketball somewhere. Unfortunate for all concerned in this.

What does he have to worry about? He was already proven not guilty. Now he has to pay for school since he is no longer on scholarship. So yes transferring and getting a scholarship elsewhere is something he should be worried about.

 

[ISUChippewa]

You know, I cannot remember ever hearing of something like this before anywhere; a student-athlete being suspended, being reinstated in the middle of the season due to charges being dropped, and then being booted from the team due to an appeal months later.

I think ISU might have just made NCAA history for all the wrong reasons.


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[3fromDeep]

Call me crazy but I actually care more about the physical safety of our sisters and daughters than I do about point guard depth or university judicial transparency.

Most offensive posts so far:

1) The guy that compared rape to smoking

2) The Steve Alford joke. (maybe read the victims comments here?) Pierre Pierce sentenced to two years in prison

3) The comment that Hoiberg would quit because ISU's sexual assault rules are too strict.

4) "Bubu went through hell" did he? Or is it more likely that he put someone through hell?

5) The rest of the rape jokes.

 

[bluestarcyclone]

Call me crazy but I actually care more about the physical safety of our sisters and daughters than I do about point guard depth or university judicial transparency.

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4) "Bubu went through hell" did he? Or is it more likely that he put someone through hell.

I think concern for safety of others is something the university should be concerned about but when there is evidence that the accuser fabricated evidence, it puts the entire case into question for me. So yeah, i think its more likely that he went through hell than that he put someone else through it. And the county seemed to agree, dropping all charges on the matter when this evidence came out.

 

[Cydkar]

Not going to read the thread of answered questions but is it too late for ISU to fill that scholarship?

Technically? No. Practically? Yes.

 

[kucyclone]

Call me crazy but I actually care more about the physical safety of our sisters and daughters than I do about point guard depth or university judicial transparency.

Most offensive posts so far:

1) The guy that compared rape to smoking

2) The Steve Alford joke. (maybe read the victims comments here?) Pierre Pierce sentenced to two years in prison

3) The comment that Hoiberg would quit because ISU's sexual assault rules are too strict.

4) "Bubu went through hell" did he? Or is it more likely that he put someone through hell?

5) The rest of the rape jokes.

This isn't the first time this board has gotten a little ugly over a player accused of rape. Mike Dixon thread. Yikes.

 

[cycfan1]

Call me crazy but I actually care more about the physical safety of our sisters and daughters than I do about point guard depth or university judicial transparency.

Most offensive posts so far:

1) The guy that compared rape to smoking

2) The Steve Alford joke. (maybe read the victims comments here?) Pierre Pierce sentenced to two years in prison

3) The comment that Hoiberg would quit because ISU's sexual assault rules are too strict.

4) "Bubu went through hell" did he? Or is it more likely that he put someone through hell?

5) The rest of the rape jokes.

You have no clue what happened.

And if you care about physical safety of girls, step one is to not get blackout drunk and hang around a convicted felon. That in no means excuses what was done here though.

 

[CYlent Bob]

I think that is a great idea - that he transfer; wonder if he will transfer in order to get one more season in. Hard to tell.

What seems to have escaped everyone so far is 1) who initiated the appeal, and 2) what was the basis for the appeal? Often, this type of "judicial process" does not have as high a standard of evidence to be successful as the court of law - and indeed should not have, as the legal system has much greater power to impose sanctions including jail time.

Also lost in the discussion is the "other party" involved in this case. Being able to discredit the victim may win you a pass in the courts, but not in a university judicial panel. For further explanation, go to Hawkeye website.

Finally, the point has also been made that the coach and Palo knew this was in the works. The outcome may be a surprise, but the proceedings would not be. Hoiberg is probably hugely disappointed at many levels, not the least of which is the loss of a potential starter or at least active bench contributor so late in the period leading up to the season start. He clearly had a soft spot for Palo and this would be a serious kick in the groin to him. This is not good all around.

A minor point: Bubu didn't "discredit the victim". His discrediting her would be something like saying "she's a slut who will sleep with anyone". What happened here is that the prosecutors discovered that the alleged victim doctored evidence to support her story. You can't blame this on message board angst and amoral defense attorneys. If anything, she discredited herself.

With that said, I hope that the board made the decision with enough facts to back it up. I am very curious about the identity of the person who appealed the original decision and the nature of the evidence presented to the board. I agree that there are actions a person can take that are not criminal but would bring them into conflict with student/athlete policies, but I also think that there is a portion of our culture that believes men are guilty until proven innocent where rape allegations are concerned.

This whole situation is a big ol' fecal sandwich for everyone involved: Bubu, the alleged victim & the ISU community.

 

[Dingus]

Call me crazy but I actually care more about the physical safety of our sisters and daughters than I do about point guard depth or university judicial transparency.

Listen, I agree, but the question of whether anything illegal (or even immoral) occurred is what is not determined. I know of person who's life was all but ruined due to a completely fabricated sexual assault accusation (a vindictive student made the claim against a TA). All charges dropped/not pressed by prosecutor but in the mean time the accused lost his job, stipend, and was therefore deported. That's not cool either.

 

[Die4Cy]

What I don't get: DMR says he will remain a student at ISU. So it doesn't seem to figure that this action is related to the student code of conduct, even though the DMR basically says that. Is there an athletics code of conduct that sets different expectations for scholarship athletes above and beyond the student code?

 

[allfourcy]

I just want clarification on the "timing". Don't accuse me of not sticking up for the sisters and daughters of the world when I agree that if someone is guilty of such accusations that they should face the consequences. My question is how is it that the court files are indicating a university code of conduct violation 9 months later? It took this long (or an appeal) for a committee of this importance to now decide the code of conduct was violated? What? For some saying "maybe new information came out", how could that happen if it wasn't verified in a court of law? Just wanting someone with more judicial knowledge to explain the timing of this to me. That's all. None of us know what actually happened on that particular night, I'm guessing, except the parties involved. But, it takes dropped court charges, a 'reinstatement', a full off-season of a player and staff working with their team, and 9 months later for the committee to digest if a code of conduct violation took place? HUH?

 

[Wesley]

What I don't get: DMR says he will remain a student at ISU. So it doesn't seem to figure that this action is related to the student code of conduct, even though the DMR basically says that. Is there an athletics code of conduct that sets different expectations for scholarship athletes above and beyond the student code?

Exactly. If he is still good enough to be a student, it must be something more.

 

[Wesley]

I just want clarification on the "timing". Don't accuse me of not sticking up for the sisters and daughters of the world when I agree that if someone is guilty of such accusations that they should face the consequences. My question is how is it that the court files are indicating a university code of conduct violation 9 months later? It took this long (or an appeal) for a committee of this importance to now decide the code of conduct was violated? What? For some saying "maybe new information came out", how could that happen if it wasn't verified in a court of law? Just wanting someone with more judicial knowledge to explain the timing of this to me. That's all. None of us know what actually happened on that particular night, I'm guessing, except the parties involved. But, it takes dropped court charges, a 'reinstatement', a full off-season of a player and staff working with their team, and 9 months later for the committee to digest if a code of conduct violatin took place? HUH?

Maybe the person who complained wanted it to happen just before the season started...

 

[IAStubborn]

Could bubu transfer and be eligible immediately as a grad student elsewhere I wonder...

4 in 5. So no unless he graduated already then he probably could otherwise he would have to sit out the year. Also eould have ti go ti a school that starts the fall semester later.

 

[ISUChippewa]

QOTE=3fromDeep;3572618]Call me crazy but I actually care more about the physical safety of our sisters and daughters than I do about point guard depth or university judicial transparency.

Most offensive posts so far:

1) The guy that compared rape to smoking

2) The Steve Alford joke. (maybe read the victims comments here?) Pierre Pierce sentenced to two years in prison

3) The comment that Hoiberg would quit because ISU's sexual assault rules are too strict.

4) "Bubu went through hell" did he? Or is it more likely that he put someone through hell?

5) The rest of the rape jokes.[/QUOTE]

Well, I wont' call you crazy. "Sanctimonious" and "self-righteous" on the other hand...

First off, why don't you tell us exactly what crime Bubu was found guilty of again?

 

[isuno1fan]

So we got both our nuts kicked yesterday with this news and the UNI result. Just like old times!

 

[gocubs2118]

Technically? No. Practically? Yes.

I actually think it is too late to fill it considering Bubu was using that scholarship when the school year started. Same thing happened with the football team last year.

 

[CyDude16]

Good job by the University.

 

[Die4Cy]

So I couldn't find anything in a google search about an athletics code of conduct at ISU, but apparently it does exist, as the following article in Athletic Management indicates, and it is apparently some sort of model, or was at the time of the articles publication (2010):

Athletic Management : Momentum Media

I was able to find an online copy of the UofI's policyon their athletics site, and we can probably assume ISU's is similar:

University of Iowa Official Athletic Site Athletics

One passage stands out, where the policy describes "Category I" offenses (serious) and differentiates them from "Category II" offenses. Basically, a Category I offense is one of three things: committing a felony, violating a court ordered probation or condition from a criminal proceeding, or violation of a probation or condition imposed by the athletics department. Category II offenses do not involve dismissal as potential sanctions.

One can probably infer from this that, if ISU's policy is similar to UI's, and we've not gotten word from the court that Bubu's situation has changed, that he likely didn't meet the conditions set by the athletics department for remaining a member of the team, if one assumes that such conditions were set when Bubu was reinstated last January.

It is important to note that there is a lot of supposition here, so be careful not to assume anything RE: Palo. But it is hypothetically possible for a player to be dismissed from a team without being found guilty of anything, provided they fail to meet the conditions set for them at the time they are re-instated.