Probably because he made it the last 3 of 4.
We're talking about next year. If he doesn't make it next year, it's 3 of 4 missing the tourney. He'll be back for next season, we're all pretty much in agreement on that.
Probably because he made it the last 3 of 4.
That is incredibly short sighted though. If the team shows significant improvement then you 100% keep Prohm another year.
I mean, what evidence do you want? Everyone who covers the Cyclones when Fred left said keep an eye on Otz getting the job. Then all of the sudden we hired a search firm and Leath was involved in interviews and we hired Prohm.
Beyond that, Otz will be our next coach. Leath wanted a sitting HC. Pollard wanted Otz to carry on Hoiberg era. Leath is gone and Pollard is still here.
It would totally shock me. Why forfeit the millions he has coming to him, and what program would buy out his contract?I'm of the mind that I think the stress of this job is weighing not only on him but his wife as well. Little kids at home and gone all time. It would not shock me to see him leave on his own accord after this season if a right job opens up near where he's from.
It would totally shock me. Why forfeit the millions he has coming to him, and what program would buy out his contract?
Baylor, Oklahoma, West Virginia, Wisconsin, Michigan State, and Purdue make the tourney most years.What non blue blood teams make the NCAA tournament every year? Unless you are Kansas, Duke, and Kentucky an expectation of making the tournament every year is unrealistic and foolish.
Now, I agree with you that NCAA tournament, NCAA tournament, last, NCAA tournament, last isn't great and I have no qualms with Prohm being on the hot seat. But I do have big problems with people that say things like the NCAA tournament should happen every year.
Baylor, Oklahoma, West Virginia, Wisconsin, Michigan State, and Purdue make the tourney most years.
Exactly. Last years team should have been/had the talent to finish in at least the top 3 of the regular big 12 season.When last year was the peak of prohm with his own players, finishing 5th is a failure. You can try to excuse this year by saying "but he lost all that talent" but 5th place last year either means that that talent was overrated or (more likely) it was a bad coaching job.
His ceilings aren't very high and his floors are very very low.
I think this season should be titled "Murphy's Law". Here's why
- We lost three players that were expected to be starters this year. Fault him for thinking this if you want, Prohm expected Lard (until they part ways) and either THT or LW to be back. HUGE blow.
- Two promising freshman transferred out a day before the season started. We found out later that they were not so promising.
- Prohm planned to lean on Nixon to be a STUD of us. The lights were too bright for him. HUGE blow.
- Jacobson happened. Or rather, didn't happen. Big blow.
- Loss to Florida A&M. Yuck
- Start of conference is super tough.
- Can't hit a three to save a life.
- Every post starter immediately regresses when given the starting role.
- TH got hurt. Biggest blow.
What was so great about last year?
Was it when we finished 5th in the league the one year prohm brought some talent of his own? (His other classes haven't planned out as well). Was it when chemistry was such a mess our players were fighting each other during games? Was it when we went in and looked terrible in the NCAA tournament game?
Last year was a mediocre at best year sandwiched between two disastrous years.
Because the program was in the same state leaving Wayne Morgan's hands as it was leaving Fred Hoiberg's…..If Pollard uses his McDermott standard, Prohm can miss this year and the next 3 tournaments and not get fired.
When last year was the peak of prohm with his own players, finishing 5th is a failure. You can try to excuse this year by saying "but he lost all that talent" but 5th place last year either means that that talent was overrated or (more likely) it was a bad coaching job.
His ceilings aren't very high and his floors are very very low.
Agree. In an interview about the CSP hire, Pollard said that he wanted someone with head coaching experience.So is there any evidence to this? Feels like something one poster threw out there and a bunch of people ran with. Leath probably had no idea who Steve Prohm was.
When you're evaluating Prohm's ability to lead the program in the future doesn't it make sense to use the last 3 years as a better indicator than the first 2 years?
No, you haven’t explained how we might make that massive of an improvement. What do you see happening to get there?
At the beginning of last season.....Solo goes down for the year, Wiggs gets injured, Talley gets in the dog house and Lard......well. If you want I can go back and grab all the many posts saying the season was done before it began. You know why....because no one knew TH was going to be that good, THT was going to be good enough to be a one and doner, that Shayok because of the system at UV could be "that" guy when it came to scoring, or that Jacobsen with all his flaws would fit right in. Yet they won 23 games. That is how I think it could happen again.
I find it funny that we consider last year a failure yet we apparently don’t consider Fred’s last year a failure. Because if we did, we would certainly think the sweet 16 the next year was amazing.
michigan State is a blue blood.
Oklahoma has been very similar to us. Remember Krueger barely got his team in with tre Jackson. People point to last year being a disaster for us, nothing compared to that year for Oklahoma.
He absolutely did not think LW would be back this year. After Maui if he thought THT would be back this year he was a fool.
Those freshman were not promising, that's why they transferred. Recruiting fail.
Prohm had spent a year watching Nixon in practice. If he didn't know what he had on his hands, failure on his part.
Bummer on Jake.
Loss to FA&M. Largest upset in FPI history. How is that bad luck?
Start of confrence is tough - This is the toughest conference in the country. It's all tough.
Can't hit a three... he recruited the roster.
Everybody regresses, he recruited the roster.
TH got hurt, bummer, but we sucked before that.
Again, most of these things are the result of things directly in his control.