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Discussion in 'Mens Basketball' started by UnCytely, Feb 10, 2020.
what the Oklahoma star wasn’t tre Jackson?!?
thanks for the correction! (And I did know that!)
So the fanbase would have been content with 7th place and 7-11 or 6-12 finish in the Big 12 before the season started. No one would/should have been content with such a scenario.
Kruger also has a Final 4 during the Prohm tenure. Once again those types of accomplishments tend to make people forgive a bit more during a downturn.
LE won championships he didn’t finish 6th and 5th respectively. LE recruited Jamaal Tinsley not Darrell Bowie and Merrill Holden. LE got to a Sweet 16. In other news Floyd last year was 12-19. LE didn’t walk into a loaded roster. Rather he walked into a roster with McDonalds All-American big man and not much else.
Wow (7th in the last 4 years) really shows that CSP is not a good recruiter overall. And I thought that was one thing he was good at.
Interesting that Baylor has among the worst recruiting classes in the Big 12 (average 4 years), yet they still, at the very least, make it to the tourney consistently.
I just hope he can get us to a bowl game.
Those numbers don’t take into consideration the high level transfer talent that Drew has brought in. Macio Teague was a UNC-Asheville transfer and Mitchell was a high level guard for Auburn. Teague is a junior and Mitchell is a current sophomore. They also have a transfer sitting out from Presbyterian named Adam Flager. He made over 100 3 pointer in his true freshmen year at 38%. The talent they are bringing in is ridiculous.
What do you think his plan is for it, going off of what he's done consistently since being at ISU?
That's probably my bigger issue--it's hard to tell where those players could fit into a program that doesn't have much of an identity.
Fred didn't win championships with the roster he left either.....so the point still stands. I am not in anyway trying to diminish what LE did, and I think you know that. I am just pointing out the absurd by being absurd.
Who's fault is it for having 10 wins through mid-February?
This has not only been a bad team, but more often than not a poorly coached one.
Youre right, looking back i just really remembered Leath inserting himself alot more into the coaching search.
Year one and year two we had a pretty clear identity and CSP was a big part of that. Year 3 is what it is and year 4 we were putting a lot of new pieces together. Year 5 we are doing it again because we lost some serious talent early. The whole identity thing is completely over played. JFC look around the country at the number of steady programs that are struggling this year. Our fan base sounds like a bunch of spoiled brats.
I played against Fred in High School and everything that helped get him to play D1 basketball and in the NBA (defense, hustle, free throw shooting, rebounding - AKA fundamentals) were not things that I saw his teams excel at. We took a lot of single shots with no effort to rebound. Played lazy basketball. He could recruit kids that could play - I just don't think that he did them any favors by not insisting that they play like he did in HS and college. Just a lazy (NBA) style of basketball.
You could count on a hard fought game every game though - because he coached defense.
It's not as easy as people think to make the tournament consistently. Here is the current consecutive appearance list..
Kansas 30 years - 1990..2019
Duke 24 years - 1996..2019
Michigan State 22 years - 1998..2019
Gonzaga 21 years - 1999..2019
Cincinnati 9 years - 2011..2019
North Carolina 9 years - 2011..2019
Villanova 7 years - 2013..2019
Kentucky 6 years - 2014..2019
Virginia 6 years - 2014..2019
Purdue 5 years - 2015..2019
Iona 4 years - 2016..2019
Michigan 4 years - 2016..2019
Seton Hall 4 years - 2016..2019
Florida State 3 years - 2017..2019
Florida 3 years - 2017..2019
Kansas State 3 years - 2017..2019
Nevada 3 years - 2017..2019
New Mexico State 3 years - 2017..2019
North Carolina Central 3 years - 2017..2019
Virginia Tech 3 years - 2017..2019
Arizona State 2 years - 2018..2019
Auburn 2 years - 2018..2019
Buffalo 2 years - 2018..2019
Georgia State 2 years - 2018..2019
Houston 2 years - 2018..2019
Montana 2 years - 2018..2019
Murray State 2 years - 2018..2019
Ohio State 2 years - 2018..2019
Oklahoma 2 years - 2018..2019
Syracuse 2 years - 2018..2019
Tennessee 2 years - 2018..2019
Texas Tech 2 years - 2018..2019
I love that "lower your expectations" is an actual argument people are making to defend Prohm. Heck who knows though, maybe it is our fault, the guy has underachieved every year here and we still set the bar high, even though he's shown us who he is. Sadly, I'm betting that changes this year.
The same people defending Prohm
Bunch of ******* losers to accept mediocrity. Hell this year is well below mediocre.
Should be able to get Hoiberg back after the Huskers fail to win the national title this year. Crap.. wrong sport.
I think we retain Prohm based on the talent he can bring in. If he can bring in more guys like the ones that left us then we keep him. Then if those guys all bolt after next season we hire someone that is willing to get hockeye type players... pretty good, but not too good. And if they are too good, have their strengths be something that is no longer utilized in the NBA, like posting, playing defense, and rebounding,
I know I've suggested this before, coupled with the fact that it seems that assistants do much or more of actual day-to-day training of players than specifically Steve does. My impression has always been that head coaches are the planners and managers, but assistants are more frequently working hands-on with the players in practice and such.
Our current assistants seem to be good recruiters as well, though, so there is some risk on that end.