He could have been an assistant and within a few years be a head coach in the NBA.
Open up the check book, Mr. Pollard
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He could have been an assistant and within a few years be a head coach in the NBA.
Hoiberg worked in the front office of the Timberwolves. Who offered Hoiberg a job to be assistant coach in the NBA?
The correct title for this thread should probably be "Open up the checkbook, Cyclone fans". JP can't spend money that he doesn't have. I doubt that there is a line item in the Cyclone athletic budget that reads "Couple million dollars that we don't have any use for right now"
Jamie can sponsor bills to raise taxes? Never knew that. Would these be state taxes or national taxes?
Another thing everyone should consider (and I'm sure Jamie Pollard and university leadership is considering) is that college athletics is besieged by a lot of financial uncertainty right now. The O'Bannon lawsuit, the Northwestern players wanting to unionize, the debate over player compensation, and so on all have potentially significant financial impacts on a university and its athletics department. "Opening up the checkbook" might be a little premature at this point with so much up in the air.
One thing: college athletics is not "for profit" they just have to spend all the money they make. They still want to get as much money from outside sources as possible.
Since when? ISU actually had revenues $121,000 more than expenses just last year. Even though they are supposed to be "non-profit".
http://businessofcollegesports.com/2012/03/21/highest-net-income-amongst-athletics-departments/
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Id say that cyclone fans already have been opening the checkbook. We sold out most of our games this year. Merchandise sales have to be over the top. Dont even ask what you have to pay to get a parquet seat. A lot of that goes away if Hoiberg leaves. And dont forget the value of all the positive exposure Iowa State is getting. The payoffs to that are tremendous.
Fact is the money needs to be found somehow, as if hoiberg ever leaves thats a lot of money ISU stands to lose. Its not like we wont be having to pay $2mil\year (becoming the going rate for a big 12 coach) for a coach anyways, we've been getting a discounted rate as is, it would be far more costly to lose him because we didnt come up with the money.
Of course we dont know what hoiberg really wants. Its not like he's short on cash.
You really don't think Fred wouldn't have been offered an assistant job in the NBA if that's what he wanted? Maybe he wasn't at that point yet, or maybe he wanted to come home first and try to save ISU basketball from the mess it was in. And do you really want to gamble that if Fred isn't kept happy that he would take one of the NBA offers that will come along? Think of the loss of revenue and national prestige to the school if we lost Fred and returned to a GMac situation, because I really doubt we'd get any decent coaching candidates who would want to follow Fred and the advantages Fred brings to the job. And although I know football normally generates more money than basketball at most schools, do you really want to compare what Fred and CPR have accomplished while at ISU? Do you think ISU is known nationally as a football school or basketball school? Like I said before, I don't think Fred is all about the money. Pay him what he's worth and let him run his own program without interference, and I think Fred stays happy. But just like Cael, what Fred is worth to ISU is worth a lot more than market value and I hope the administration understands that.
I honestly think that lawsuit is the most overblown thing by the media in recent years. Its going nowhere. Players have the opportunity to play elsewhere if they want (like the d league) and if their services are worthy enough. They just might not offer the benefits that an NCAA program provides, which itself justifies that the payment level is more than adequate.
*Pay him what he wants up to what he is worth. We don't even know if he wants more than he is getting or if he would like resources to go to other areas of the program. Money that he is not looking for is misspent, especially if Fred is looking for more resources elsewhere in his program and can't get them. As I said before that happens in the end of season conversation that JP has with every head coach, every year. It sounds to me like many posters would like JP to write a check and mail it to Fred rather than sitting down and talking to Fred about his priorities first.
Exactly right. CFH talks about 6 coaching mentors: Orr, Tim Floyd, Larry Brown, Larry Bird, Kevin McHale, and Flip Saunders. What were their NBA coaching experiences?
Orr: College basketball lifer. Coached a Final Four. Loved Ames and ISU, and was the best ambassador the school ever had until the Mayor walked back through the door.
Floyd: Terrific college career, got hired by the Jordan-less Bulls. Was handed all of his assistants and was told what offense he would run. Regarded as "Jerry's (Krause's) boy" he resigned mid year his fourth season after he lost control of his team for the second year in a row. Later coached the Hornets for one season before getting fired. Now coaching college ball again.
Larry Brown: Moved around a ton. Won a national championship at KU, and went on to have 7 NBA jobs in 20 years before moving back to college ball.
Larry Bird: Spent 3 yrs as the Pacers coach before quitting to move to the front office.
McHale: Was a front office guy in Minnesota who moved down to the bench to finish a season as interim coach. Was supposed to be retained for the following season but the owner changed his mind and hired Kurt Rambis (!!) instead. Has coached Houston since 2011.
Flip Saunders: A very successful NBA head coach, he spent 10 years as TWolves coach after moving down from the front office. He later moved to Detroit where he was fired after less than three years. He also coached the Wizards where he was fired in his third year. Now back in the TWolves front office.
What do you suppose these guys would tell Fred about life as an NBA head coach?
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Not sure to which lawsuit you are referring. The O'Bannon lawsuit isn't overblown and has many people in high positions watching closely. Schools and the NCAA are profiting off the likeness of individual college athletes. I can't imagine it ever makes it to verdict, however.
I also think the Kessler lawsuit arguing collusion is a serious threat. He is a high-powered attorney and has taken on the big leagues. He wouldn't get involved in this unless he smelled blood in the water.
Don't stick your head in the sand. These are significant issues the NCAA is facing. They are in trouble and they know it.
If and when Fred decides to take a AD/GM or coaching job with a NCAA or NBA team money isn't going to be the issue that "locks" him in at Iowa State or entices him and his family to move on. it'll be because he wants the challenge and opportunity. If another school or NBA franchise wants Fred bad enough they'll buy out his contract and throw some ridiculous #'s at him. It would be nice to give him bonuses based on his regular season and post season wins to show him appreciation.
Of course JP will talk to Fred after the season but I would certainly start by offering him a raise based on the incredible job he's done this year just so far. Good grief, JP was offering raises and extensions to GMac and Chiz after horrible seasons. Even if Fred doesn't ask for it I think it would be shortsighted not to offer. Then if Fred says he would rather the money go to his assistants or elsewhere in the program, fine. That's all part of paying Fred what he's worth.
