Open up the check book, Mr. Pollard

[CoKane]

Lets get Fred a raise. I think 3 mil a year sounds fair.

Self gets 3mil. Even Barnes gets 2.2 mil.

Lock him up now and end the NBA speculation. No more home town discounts.

Hoiberg is ISU Basketball.

He better do it soon then. I'm hearing rumors that the T-Wolves are looking into him right now.

 

[coolerifyoudid]

Count me in to sell our souls to the devil and give every coin available to Fred.

Not sure how much each soul will fetch...

Just got off the phone with 'ol Beelzebub. He said, "I know all of you by name. No sale. I'll just wait."

 

[CYKOFAN]

And what does that get them? A brief mention on ESPN and a few people saying "Cael who? I think I remember him." That's if they're saying anything at all. What an awesome return on their investment. College Sports are about money and exposure. That's the reality. As has been said, Cael and Wrestling is a poor comparison to make when discussing Fred and basketball. Two entirely different animals. One matters. The other doesn't.

Are you in the administration because that sounds like the kind of attitude that no doubt contributed to Cael leaving. And again you fail to understand the importance wrestling has been to ISU sports history and our state. The state high school wrestling meet probably draws more than the boys basketball tournament. And I think you're minimizing the importance of wrestling in a lot of areas of the country. But I know basketball is more popular, my comparison was Cael is a legend and great source of ISU pride as is Fred. Actually name an ISU athlete in any sport that has even come close to the perfection and excellence Cael achieved at ISU. He's simply the greatest collegiate wrestler of all time, and he did it as a Cyclone. We have nobody in any other sport that can come close to that kind of claim.

 

[im4cyclones]

If he denies interest in a job that hasn't been offered, does that make you feel better? Should he come out and say he is firmly entrenched in Ames?

 

[VeloClone]

He better do it soon then. I'm hearing rumors that the T-Wolves are looking into him right now.

I'm pretty sure JP and Fred have had the end of season review scheduled for April 8th for some time now. They are just hoping they have to delay it for the celebration parade.



:spinny:

 

[jsb]

He better do it soon then. I'm hearing rumors that the T-Wolves are looking into him right now.

Where exactly did you hear this? From the Timberwolves side?

But this is all fairly stupid. Because I would bet a lot of money that he is probably the first choice of EVERY NBA team. My gut says that he was contacted before Stevens for the Celtics job. We know that Minnesota made a run at him last year. I suspect that USC and UCLA both inquired.

Everyone should just assume that for any NBA or college coaching job that opens up Hoiberg is at the top of the GM's or the AD's list.

 

[VeloClone]

Actually name an ISU athlete in any sport that has even come close to the perfection and excellence Cael achieved at ISU.

Came close? Dan Gable.

I'm not a wrestling or Cael Sanderson hater. I like ISU wrestling and I hope ISU can eventually get back to the power that they once were. I just think it is short sighted to talk about cannibalizing one historically successful ISU sport to throw money at another. There is no guarantee that any amount of money ISU could reasonably muster would have made Cael stay. Besides, have you looked at the number of men's and women's varsity sports ISU must maintain for Big 12 membership?

 

[jsb]

If he denies interest in a job that hasn't been offered, does that make you feel better? Should he come out and say he is firmly entrenched in Ames?

Personally, I would feel better with a phone call every day telling me how much he loves Iowa State and how he'll never leave it

 

[Mr Janny]

Are you in the administration because that sounds like the kind of attitude that no doubt contributed to Cael leaving. And again you fail to understand the importance wrestling has been to ISU sports history and our state. The state high school wrestling meet probably draws more than the boys basketball tournament. And I think you're minimizing the importance of wrestling in a lot of areas of the country. But I know basketball is more popular, my comparison was Cael is a legend and great source of ISU pride as is Fred. Actually name an ISU athlete in any sport that has even come close to the perfection and excellence Cael achieved at ISU. He's simply the greatest collegiate wrestler of all time, and he did it as a Cyclone. We have nobody in any other sport that can come close to that kind of claim.

And I think you fail to understand the importance of wrestling, period. Yes, wrestling once was more popular. It's not anymore. It simply does not matter. That's harsh, but it's reality. Pollard could have offered Cael $5 million a season, and built brand new facilities, and dedicated the entire athletic department to wrestling and all of the wresting fans out there would feel good about themselves, but it wouldn't change the fact that college wrestling is a niche sport, that doesn't make much, if any money, and doesn't give the university much, if any, exposure. It's simply a bad investment.

Men's basketball, on the other hand, is a good investment. We can, and are, seeing a return there. That's why Fred is an entirely different ball of wax than Cael. Fred is 100 times more important than Cael ever was.

 

[CYKOFAN]

Where exactly did you hear this? From the Timberwolves side?

But this is all fairly stupid. Because I would bet a lot of money that he is probably the first choice of EVERY NBA team. My gut says that he was contacted before Stevens for the Celtics job. We know that Minnesota made a run at him last year. I suspect that USC and UCLA both inquired.

Everyone should just assume that for any NBA or college coaching job that opens up Hoiberg is at the top of the GM's or the AD's list.

True. Add in the fact that he's an ISU legend and that's why you throw away some market value analysis to determine what Fred's worth.

 

[Clone1138]

Pollard's not stupid. He knows how important Fred is to the team, the school, town and the state. It's not money that is going to keep Fred here. If you want to know what is going to keep Fred here, rewatch his speech when he was first introduced as head coach. He plainly states what one of his highest goals in life is. If he still feels that way, he's going to be here for many more years.

 

[Jsievers24]

My fear, unfounded or not, is that we lose another legend like Cael because the administration didn't realize their importance to their sports, ISU national recognition, and school pride. I don't mean to make this a wrestling thread, but I don't think JP realized the importance of wrestling to school history and pride, and the importance of Cael to our wrestling program and ISU pride. I know the company line about Penn State having more money, great high school wrestling, etc, but it just seems other programs like cross country and track could have been dropped and more money given to Cael if we had been on top of the situation, and I admit I'm a wrestling fan as it was a huge source of ISU pride when I was there. Fred is an ISU legend too and a huge source of ISU pride both as a player and a coach, and just so the administration understands that and does all they can within reason to make sure we don't lose another one of our legends because we didn't understand their importance to ISU.

How much would it suck to read an article about Hoiberg as a coach for another team like this..... The Penn State Nittany Lion wrestling team, under the direction of head coach Cael Sanderson, won its fourth straight NCAA National Championship, becoming only the third team in history to win four straight titles.

 

[im4cyclones]

Pollard's not stupid. He knows how important Fred is to the team, the school, town and the state. It's not money that is going to keep Fred here. If you want to know what is going to keep Fred here, rewatch his speech when he was first introduced as head coach. He plainly states what one of his highest goals in life is. If he still feels that way, he's going to be here for many more years.

No disrespect to Fred or to you but what else would he say? What did he say that was drastically different than any coach at his introductory press conference?

 

[Stormin]

Pollard's not stupid. He knows how important Fred is to the team, the school, town and the state. It's not money that is going to keep Fred here. If you want to know what is going to keep Fred here, rewatch his speech when he was first introduced as head coach. He plainly states what one of his highest goals in life is. If he still feels that way, he's going to be here for many more years.

Agree. Fred is here because he wants to be here. It is not about money. Fred's first contract was 5 years worth a total of $4.5 million. We pay Fred well. We have redone his contract TWICE in the last 2 years. Pollard will probably meet with him again and tweak it once more.

As far as Cael is concerned. I think it was less about money and more about being in Gable's shadow and Iowa's. Cael said the reason he was leaving was for facilities and because Pennsylvania was in the midst of wrestling talent and every kid in that area wanted to wrestle for Penn State. Here at Iowa State it was a bit tougher. Here is Pollard's comments on Cael leaving.

http://www.cyclones.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=10700&ATCLID=3722124

 

[jsb]

Pollard's not stupid. He knows how important Fred is to the team, the school, town and the state. It's not money that is going to keep Fred here. If you want to know what is going to keep Fred here, rewatch his speech when he was first introduced as head coach. He plainly states what one of his highest goals in life is. If he still feels that way, he's going to be here for many more years.

I've thought about this some. It's very striking how much he hates to lose. And it's very obvious how much some of this stuff hurts him. Hell, he looked like he was near tears talking about Georges on Friday night. Sometimes I wonder how he is an Iowa State guy because that type of crap happens here. Obviously, he would hate losing no matter where he coached, but is it more because he is at Iowa State?

 

[CYKOFAN]

And I think you fail to understand the importance of wrestling, period. Yes, wrestling once was more popular. It's not anymore. It simply does not matter. That's harsh, but it's reality. Pollard could have offered Cael $5 million a season, and built brand new facilities, and dedicated the entire athletic department to wrestling and all of the wresting fans out there would feel good about themselves, but it wouldn't change the fact that college wrestling is a niche sport, that doesn't make much, if any money, and doesn't give the university much, if any, exposure. It's simply a bad investment.

Men's basketball, on the other hand, is a good investment. We can, and are, seeing a return there. That's why Fred is an entirely different ball of wax than Cael. Fred is 100 times more important than Cael ever was.

If you're talking only about how much money they generate for the university, that's true, but I'm sure Fred or very few other ISU alums would say Fred is 100 times more important to ISU than Cael ever was. Cael was and probably always will be our most successful athlete, and more well known than Fred worldwide. Was that the administration's attitude with Cael, strictly how much money can he generate? And you seem to be ignoring track and cross country. If money is the only criteria why not drop those sports in order to pump up wrestling. On the collegiate level I'll bet wrestling is more popular and draws more fans than track and cross country combined. If our wrestling program was strong as it once was, I'm sure there would be far more spectators at wrestling meets than cross country and track combined. There may be anyway, I've never been to a cross country or track meet so I don't know. How many ISU fans have ever been to a cross country meet?

 

[Stormin]

If you're talking only about how much money they generate for the university, that's true, but I'm sure Fred or very few other ISU alums would say Fred is 100 times more important to ISU than Cael ever was. Cael was and probably always will be our most successful athlete, and more well known than Fred worldwide. Was that the administration's attitude with Cael, strictly how much money can he generate? And you seem to be ignoring track and cross country. If money is the only criteria why not drop those sports in order to pump up wrestling. On the collegiate level I'll bet wrestling is more popular and draws more fans than track and cross country combined. If our wrestling program was strong as it once was, I'm sure there would be far more spectators at wrestling meets than cross country and track combined. There may be anyway, I've never been to a cross country or track meet so I don't know. How many ISU fans have ever been to a cross country meet?

Cael did NOT leave because of money. He only got about $15,000 more in salary than he was making at ISU. The reason Cael left is because he felt it would be easier to win a National Championship at Penn State and build a championship program that would be HIS.

Pollard tried to talk Cael out of it but Cael's mind was made up. He wanted to go to Penn State.

 

[Rabbuk]

Ya there's a few pockets in America where wrestling matters but most places don't care. When I moved to iowa I was really surprised at how many people cared about it. Also show choir.

 

[im4cyclones]

If you're talking only about how much money they generate for the university, that's true, but I'm sure Fred or very few other ISU alums would say Fred is 100 times more important to ISU than Cael ever was. Cael was and probably always will be our most successful athlete, and more well known than Fred worldwide. Was that the administration's attitude with Cael, strictly how much money can he generate? And you seem to be ignoring track and cross country. If money is the only criteria why not drop those sports in order to pump up wrestling. On the collegiate level I'll bet wrestling is more popular and draws more fans than track and cross country combined. If our wrestling program was strong as it once was, I'm sure there would be far more spectators at wrestling meets than cross country and track combined. There may be anyway, I've never been to a cross country or track meet so I don't know. How many ISU fans have ever been to a cross country meet?

Why? They should have a healthy budget that allows them to compete. Show me where Jamie hasn't done that with wrestling. Wasn't Cael one of the highest paid coaches in wrestling when he left? What more do you want him to do?

I don't think Corey Ihmels was getting tons of resources poured into his sports before he left. They absolutely had to get a new track since they could no longer run on the old one.

Show me where Pollard isn't supporting the wrestling program.

 

[VeloClone]

Get it through your thick skull. If you drop Track and Cross Country you are dropping 6 sports (M&W indoor track, outdoor track & CC) and ISU no longer participates in enough sports for Big 12 membership.