Trae Young
what the Oklahoma star wasn’t tre Jackson?!?
thanks for the correction! (And I did know that!)
Trae Young
Let's do a deep dive:
2020 Big 12 Fanbase Expectations for each school (heading into the year):
ISU: NCAA Tournament
OU: NCAA Tournament
OSU: NCAA Tournament
KU: Final Four
KSU: Bubble team
Baylor: Sweet Sixteen
TCU: Bubble Team
TTU: Elite Eight
Texas: NCAA Tournament
WVU: NCAA Tournament
Conference Recruiting Ranking (Past four years Average):
ISU's Projected Finish before Haliburton injury:
- KU
- Texas
- TTU
- WVU
- OU
- TCU
- ISU
- OSU
- Baylor
- KSU
6th/7th
Everyone in this conference has the expectation to make it to the NCAA Tournament.
Prohm is a great recruiter, but he's competing in a league with other great recruiters.
We average the 7th best class. We were projected to finish 6th or 7th before Haliburton got hurt. If I told all of you that before the season, you would likely be happy. That was about most reasonable fans expectations.
PUMP. THE. BRAKES.
michigan State is a blue blood.
Oklahoma has been very similar to us. Remember Krueger barely got his team in with tre Jackson. People point to last year being a disaster for us, nothing compared to that year for Oklahoma.
About as much sense at it would have been evaluating LE using his last two rather than his first three.
Wow (7th in the last 4 years) really shows that CSP is not a good recruiter overall. And I thought that was one thing he was good at.Let's do a deep dive:
2020 Big 12 Fanbase Expectations for each school (heading into the year):
ISU: NCAA Tournament
OU: NCAA Tournament
OSU: NCAA Tournament
KU: Final Four
KSU: Bubble team
Baylor: Sweet Sixteen
TCU: Bubble Team
TTU: Elite Eight
Texas: NCAA Tournament
WVU: NCAA Tournament
Conference Recruiting Ranking (Past four years Average):
ISU's Projected Finish before Haliburton injury:
- KU
- Texas
- TTU
- WVU
- OU
- TCU
- ISU
- OSU
- Baylor
- KSU
6th/7th
Everyone in this conference has the expectation to make it to the NCAA Tournament.
Prohm is a great recruiter, but he's competing in a league with other great recruiters.
We average the 7th best class. We were projected to finish 6th or 7th before Haliburton got hurt. If I told all of you that before the season, you would likely be happy. That was about most reasonable fans expectations.
PUMP. THE. BRAKES.
Wow (7th in the last 4 years) really shows that CSP is not a good recruiter overall. And I thought that was one thing he was good at.
Interesting that Baylor has among the worst recruiting classes in the Big 12 for the past few years, yet they still, at the very least, make it to the tourney.
JFC he has a top 25 class coming in.
LE won championships he didn’t finish 6th and 5th respectively. LE recruited Jamaal Tinsley not Darrell Bowie and Merrill Holden. LE got to a Sweet 16. In other news Floyd last year was 12-19. LE didn’t walk into a loaded roster. Rather he walked into a roster with McDonalds All-American big man and not much else.
Not Prohm's fault star got hurt. Not his fault he now has a losing season. Pollard has to now retain him.
So is there any evidence to this? Feels like something one poster threw out there and a bunch of people ran with. Leath probably had no idea who Steve Prohm was.
What do you think his plan is for it, going off of what he's done consistently since being at ISU?
That's probably my bigger issue--it's hard to tell where those players could fit into a program that doesn't have much of an identity.
I played against Fred in High School and everything that helped get him to play D1 basketball and in the NBA (defense, hustle, free throw shooting, rebounding - AKA fundamentals) were not things that I saw his teams excel at. We took a lot of single shots with no effort to rebound. Played lazy basketball. He could recruit kids that could play - I just don't think that he did them any favors by not insisting that they play like he did in HS and college. Just a lazy (NBA) style of basketball.You do realize Fred hasn't even been in Lincoln a full calendar year? I don't think you do. It's honestly crazy how many people on here think Fred and TJ should be off and running with their teams this year.
You could count on a hard fought game every game though - because he coached defense.LE only made the tournament 2 times in his 5 years... the fan base we have now would eat him alive
It's not as easy as people think to make the tournament consistently. Here is the current consecutive appearance list..JFC look around the country at the number of steady programs that are struggling this year. Our fan base sounds like a bunch of spoiled brats.
I love that "lower your expectations" is an actual argument people are making to defend Prohm. Heck who knows though, maybe it is our fault, the guy has underachieved every year here and we still set the bar high, even though he's shown us who he is. Sadly, I'm betting that changes this year.
I played against Fred in High School and everything that helped get him to play D1 basketball and in the NBA (defense, hustle, free throw shooting, rebounding - AKA fundamentals) were not things that I saw his teams excel at. We took a lot of single shots with no effort to rebound. Played lazy basketball. He could recruit kids that could play - I just don't think that he did them any favors by not insisting that they play like he did in HS and college. Just a lazy (NBA) style of basketball.
I know I've suggested this before, coupled with the fact that it seems that assistants do much or more of actual day-to-day training of players than specifically Steve does. My impression has always been that head coaches are the planners and managers, but assistants are more frequently working hands-on with the players in practice and such.If this is a Prohm job security thread now, I want to propose an idea for him...
It is time to get new assistants. Switch it up before you get the boot. Go and get a really good post position coach. You know guards but you need to develop better bigs.