Look at Navy. People are interested when they do well. I think if you put AF in a position to regularly play high-profile opponents their potential to raise their profile is very high.
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Look at Navy. People are interested when they do well. I think if you put AF in a position to regularly play high-profile opponents their potential to raise their profile is very high.
I don't know about the 75/25 thing, but Dodds has admitted what Byrne said is true. Even Texas didn't think it would end up where it is now. However, they had the opportunity to be in on it. The proposal was 5-10 years ago, and aTm said no. A year ago, aTm went back and asked for take-backsies on the 'No'. Texas had put too much into it already and did the work on their own. So Byrne was technically right, it wasn't a deal that split the current form, but they would still be right there had they said yes.
And no, I don't have a link, it was last night and I have no idea where I saw it.
I've been wondering this as well. I haven't read every single post in this thread, so maybe it's been answered, but what if something happens and aTm doesn't get the nod from the SEC? Are they still out the door? Is their stance, "We want out no matter what and we are leaving in June 2012!" or is it, "Well, we want to leave and will continue to do everything we can to leave, in the mean time, you are stuck with us!" Because, if it's the latter, that's total ********. I keep hearing that it's almost impossible to kick a team out of a conference, but when it gets to a point like this, is there any way we can actually kick them out? I think having aTm remain at this point puts more instability into the conference than having them leave. Again, this could be all crazy talk from me as I don't really know the insides on this whole thing, but what if there is no 14th team and the SEC decides expansion is not a good idea right now.
Yes, you are correct, i dont think anyone thought the LHN deal would be this large,even texas, even as recently as last summer. That's because the actual value of that material is nowhere near the amount texas is getting.
I'm not saying I'm going to insist ISU join the Big East forthwith, in fact, I do think AF could be interesting. I just question the growth potential that a military academy would truly bring, and I'm not truly convinced of the national interest, either. I have friends that have served in the Army, Navy, and Air Force - the Army and Navy friends are Iowa fans and the Air Force friend is an Illini. None of them give a rat's arse about their service academy's team. And if you think there's a large officer population that cares, roughly 13% of the military are officers. First, that's not a lot, second, even officers tend to cheer for their "non-military" school of choice.
That being said, their attendance is impressive for a military academy.
Again, I can't find the article, but I'm pretty sure I read where Beebe said that he read the notice as not contingent. i.e. you pulled out, don't come back if it don't work out. Feel dumb with no links, but with so much around on this, I can't keep track of what was where.
Firstly, its almost guaranteed TAMU will be gone. The SEC announcement will come next week (gets them some exposure in an off week for them).
Now, if the extremely unlikely happens and TAMU doesnt get in, i almost guarantee theyre allowed back into the big 12. Too much money involved and theyre an asset financially to the big 12. They'd be in Missouri's position after last year, but worse. They could complain about things, but texas could say 'yeah, what are you going to do about it?'
The problem with Air Force is their ceiling. How good can they be? They're doing well right now under Calhoun, playing a lower level of competition in the MWC. But are elite athletes really going to sign up to play for Air Force if they have to enroll in military service as well? I think AFA would be limited in the Big XII by the type of athlete they can recruit, much the same way Boise State would be.
Not the same way. Pretty sure that the Air Force Academy's academic standards are very high and they aren't making exceptions for their athletes. Their recruiting won't be any more restricted than it already is. What you see on the field right now is what you will continue to get, regardless of what conference they are in.
Due to their academic and service requirements, AFA would get destroyed competing in the B12 for non-FB sports. They would also get lucky to finish above .500 for FB in conference play. As a result, competing and consistently losing in the B12 would do more harm than good for their image.
Unless ND is also involved as a scheduling partner, there is little value for both the B12 and AFA by expanding with AFA.
Pitt, ECU and UCF really just gnaw at me...not because they are bad schools, but because the geographic issue. My hope is that the Big 12, Big East, and ACC will work together to bring in some schools and re-shuffle others so that there is still some geographic sanity to the three conferences.
If the time should come where someone decides to start challenging the non-profit status of the conferences and schools, those that aren't shuffling athletes across half a continent might be in a better position to defend their non-profit status.
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You're right, I shouldn't have said in the same way as Boise State. But it's a similar situation. Boise State would have limited success in the Big XII because they couldn't admit partial qualifiers. Air Force would have limited success in the Big XII because a lot of athletes aren't going to want to sign up for military service, and they wouldn't be able to step up their recruiting enough to compete against stronger competition.
You're probably right in that regard. I wonder if you would get more Texas kids that were considering the military anyway end up leaning Air Force if they joined the Big XII though. Obviously not enough to make up the difference in competition, but I'd bet you'd see an uptick.
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MT @BryanDFischer: Pinkel to @TimBrando: "You don't hear about these issues at any other lg in the country. And we all know where it starts"
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OK, we have Tech AD Kirby Hocutt saying Big 12 must get back to 10 immediately, now Gary Pinkel takes aim at conference unity. Not good.
MT @BryanDFischer: Pinkel to @TimBrando: "You don't hear about these issues at any other lg in the country. And we all know where it starts"
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OK, we have Tech AD Kirby Hocutt saying Big 12 must get back to 10 immediately, now Gary Pinkel takes aim at conference unity. Not good.
When I see you were the last post, I knew it would be a negative tweet.
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Whatever, I'm just passing along information, I've posted both positive and negative tweets/articles i've seen, if you don't like it, then don't read them.
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