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People seem to forget that we have one of the worst losing records of all-time in football. Why some people think that we should expect winning at least 6 games a year is beyond me.

Go to a tailgate. Get drunk. Hit on your co-worker. Have fun, because that's what cyclone football is about... not winning the conference. We never have and probably never will.
 

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it is not good----we simply do not have enough talent---easily the basement is between ISU an KU--- if my recollection is correct--this is first press conference JP not with Rhoads---Richardson perhaps could run a Jr. High team....big big problems in Cyclone Land....just calling it as I see it....JP has big decision to make at end of year.....

No he doesn't. He has an easy decision to make. There is a 0% chance Rhoads gets fired after this year. With his contract and the fact that we have basically sold out every game makes it a very, very, very easy decision. MAYBE if we are equally as bad next year AND we struggle to sell tickets, he would have a more difficult decision.
 

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I mostly agree, but I disagree that I'm freaking out over ONE game. I'm freaking out over at least the last 13 games. Probably more than that if I go back far enough.

But we knew last year would be a struggle. We were told we were building for the future. I can take a down year. But back to back awful years will be tough to swallow. But let's not give up completely after 8% of the season.

It goes back 2 years now, I was sitting in the stands in Memphis watching a game almost identical to the NDSU game: just getting line dominated.
 

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People seem to forget that we have one of the worst losing records of all-time in football. Why some people think that we should expect winning at least 6 games a year is beyond me.

Go to a tailgate. Get drunk. Hit on your co-worker. Have fun, because that's what cyclone football is about... not winning the conference. We never have and probably never will.

And this right here is exactly the reason we are where we are. You know, we were never a basketball school either. Then we decided to change that and demand better. Say, how did that turn out?
 

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I am as ****** as the next guy about Saturday but to call for the coaches head is ridiculous especially one under contract for as long as he is. Guess what we have had over 50,000 in JTS 20 times in a row, that's unprecedented he isn't going anywhere.

1. Mark Mangino will be fine, people ******** about his offense after the first week are stupid.
Agree
a. Likely hasn't installed it all yet
Probably - but the whole talk was it's "simpler" and we can't even get the basics
b. Threw screen passes because after QB went out maybe they were triple teaming Bibbs (Sam proved this fact), throwing underneath possibly could have made them play honest. Plus they were pinning their ears back rushing the QB, a screen pass can neutralize that by sucking them in and going over the top of them. That's smart playcalling, did it work, no, but it wasn't like we threw 15 wide receiver screens to the flat.
Ehh
c. when Farniok went down there was a noticeable change.
True - and disturbing. Sucks going from 1st to 3rd string in the 4th series of the year. But one would hope that our starters with a 3rd string center, would perform better than a AA school - even a championship caliber team like NDSU
d. When Bundrage went down, there went our big time deep threat, allowing them to key on Bibbs downfield.
Sucked losing Bundrage. But WR is the deepest position on the team by far, with the most talent. Other options are there. Problem wasn't WRs.
e. The Ints were bad luck for us and good luck for them.
BS. They were lousy passes. And SR is lucky he didn't have 1 or 2 more.
f. Having both Farniok and QB go out as early as they did spelled disaster. I guarantee you they got most of the reps during game week with the new offense being installed. I believe it would have been a dog fight with those two not so much of a laugher.
Again - BS. Farniok hurt far more than Bundrage. But again - AA! What possible prayer do we have at the Big XII level? As for the second part - I don't think we stood a chance in this game. As such - I don't think we stand much in any other game save Toledo. At this point I'm writing off KU as likely loss simply because it's a road game. WV looked pretty salty Saturday as well. OU and Baylor will be eating hot dogs on the sidelines after the half.
2. The defense needs help, we all knew this going in. What I do see is a lot of young guys playing, Alton Meeks will have a good career here. The ejection of Cotton Moya was BS, if that's how they are going to call targeting this year, I may say **** college football.
- Not arguing a thing on this. Horrid call. And whatever the "official" position was they gave at halftime was laughable.
3. Those of you calling CW out for making fun of the NDSU fan need to leave this FREE site immediately of CW needs to start charging for the use of the immense amount of content that this website provides. It would definitely reduce the number of DA's around here. Every one of us would have laughed at that guy calling the score, we all knew it would be a tough game but all of us didn't think we would get beaten down.
Agreed.
 

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People seem to forget that we have one of the worst losing records of all-time in football. Why some people think that we should expect winning at least 6 games a year is beyond me.

Go to a tailgate. Get drunk. Hit on your co-worker. Have fun, because that's what cyclone football is about... not winning the conference. We never have and probably never will.

6 wins, being around .500 is not unreasonable.

I just want good, competitive football. We should have two on the non-con that are pretty much gimmes. Again - no excuse to EVER, EVER, EVER lose to a AA program. NEVER! Not taking a thing away from the UNIs and NDSU - the absolutely deserved to win. But we are (supposed to be) a major conference D1 program.

We should expect to play at least .500 ball against Iowa. We should expect to be competitive and have that game win-able every single year. On this front - I'm not unhappy at all (most likely because I was in school during that 17 year run - or whatever it was. And since 2000, we're roughly .500 and not many complete ***-kickings).

We should be competitive (meaning as good as) with every school in the lower half of the Big XII every year. WV, Tech, KU, TCU. Right there, if you win those most years, is 6-7 wins.

Beyond that - I would hope we can at least play with the OSU, KSU most years.

And in the end - facts are facts and OU, Texas (usually) and Baylor (recently) are just on different planes as us. But we've seen we can jump up and knock all of them (save OU) every now and then.

If we can routinely be .500 and competitive in the other games - I'm not unhappy. Danny Mac was accomplishing after 5+ years of opening misery. Of course - a lot of that success was a very favorable schedule and lucky draw in the quality of the "major" programs.
 

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And this right here is exactly the reason we are where we are. You know, we were never a basketball school either. Then we decided to change that and demand better. Say, how did that turn out?

Tell me more about how YOU are going to demand better. And don't say by voicing you're opinion on a message board.
 

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I get everyone's anger, but you have to give a team more than one game.

I thought the Offense looked good until adversity, and then the air was just let out.

Defense looked good at times, but boy in the second half they were manhandled.

I think the onus of the loss falls on the players. It appeared we had a good game plan both offensively and defensively.

Ok, hate just jumping on the QB, but Sam missed some throws, and didn't seem to compete like a big time QB. We get Ecby and Montgomery so that could be a big difference.

Defensively just need to stay in the gaps and get off blocks. They're young so who knows what we will get, but they appeared athletic in the secondary.
 

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it is not good----we simply do not have enough talent---easily the basement is between ISU an KU--- if my recollection is correct--this is first press conference JP not with Rhoads---Richardson perhaps could run a Jr. High team....big big problems in Cyclone Land....just calling it as I see it....JP has big decision to make at end of year.....
There is no decision to be made at the end of the year. Even if CPR goes 1-11 this year, he will be safe. The contract is too big with too many years left on it IMO.
 

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"Sucked losing Bundrage. But WR is the deepest position on the team by far, with the most talent. Other options are there. Problem wasn't WRs."

Don't forget, Montgomery and Ecby were out for this game as well, so that is 3 receivers that were out. Takes out a lot of depth.
 

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For those calling for the head of CPR on a platter, Do you want to go back to the Chizik years or where we were when DMAC left? Perhaps you want to go back to the Walden years? Maybe Jim Criner? How about Donnie Duncan who inherited a team with 3 straight 8-3 seasons which had Redshirted the whole Freshman class the previous year?

You have had an ugly girlfriend for almost 40 years and now you expect her to be beautiful. Face it, there are days she is going to wake up okay and days she is going to be Coyote Ugly.
 

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6 wins, being around .500 is not unreasonable.

I just want good, competitive football. We should have two on the non-con that are pretty much gimmes. Again - no excuse to EVER, EVER, EVER lose to a AA program. NEVER! Not taking a thing away from the UNIs and NDSU - the absolutely deserved to win. But we are (supposed to be) a major conference D1 program.

We should expect to play at least .500 ball against Iowa. We should expect to be competitive and have that game win-able every single year. On this front - I'm not unhappy at all (most likely because I was in school during that 17 year run - or whatever it was. And since 2000, we're roughly .500 and not many complete ***-kickings).

We should be competitive (meaning as good as) with every school in the lower half of the Big XII every year. WV, Tech, KU, TCU. Right there, if you win those most years, is 6-7 wins.

Beyond that - I would hope we can at least play with the OSU, KSU most years.

And in the end - facts are facts and OU, Texas (usually) and Baylor (recently) are just on different planes as us. But we've seen we can jump up and knock all of them (save OU) every now and then.

If we can routinely be .500 and competitive in the other games - I'm not unhappy. Danny Mac was accomplishing after 5+ years of opening misery. Of course - a lot of that success was a very favorable schedule and lucky draw in the quality of the "major" programs.

I hate to wade into the Danny Mac waters, but I'll dip in a toe

D-Mac had the most god awful facilities to try and sell. There was next to nothing compared to the football complex that exists now. I remember driving by the Olsen building and seeing a light on at all hours.

Mac (finally) had a facility upgrade from the Walden era and we expected more
PR has an upgrade from Danny Mac. We should expect more.

In this world of football driven conference realignment we must demand more. We lose our seat in the Power 5 if we don't kick it in the *** on the football front. IMHO
 

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That headline certainly doesn't beat around the bush, does it?

For those who think criticism (or at least serious concern) is unwarranted, read the first two paragraphs of that write-up. It's also a perfect balance of the quandary: Rhoads is passionate, and it can be infectious; ISU fans are historical patient, but they do have a breaking point, sometimes that point occurs earlier for some, later for others).

I've been among the negative CFers after this game (elevated by much of what has transpired from Liberty Bowl onward), but I don't consider myself an ***hat, or whatever the term is. But threads like this make me feel like I'm lumped in with the most extremely negative fans (who, even if I think they're overreacting and launch into seemingly unwarranted tirades, often include a grain of truth).

I have done none of the following things over the weekend (and neither have a lot of debbie-downers):
1. Called for Rhoads to be fired. He should be experiencing a build-up of scrutiny, yes, but I'm not calculating the budgetary limitations of a buyout right now.
2. Specifically bashing a player, such as saying Richardson can't play and Rohach should start, or such. (I did comment in the game thread that Lazard should have attempted to use two hands to secure the catch on that INT, but that's more of a coaching issue for development).
3. Suggested that ISU's problem is that the talent is sub-par (if anything the staff has found a way to squander talent in the "skill" positions).
4. Suggested that we're automatically headed for another 3-9 season or worse (I did text a co-worker something similar during the game. It was during the third quarter. Did anyone else feel any different?).
5. Bash CW. (As negative as I can occasionally get, I felt uncomfortable about that stuff).

My biggest concerns?
* How can a team look so promising on both sides of the ball for a quarter, then look entirely different the final three? (This isn't the first time that has happened).
* Why do fans make excuses about having a key starter sidelined — not just that it would have impact — losing an impact WR and your starting center is not going to help. But the team is night-and-day different because of it? ISU won at Nebraska in '09 when its starting QB and RB were out. Rhoads coached that game.
* How do so many of the same offensive struggles happen under 3 different coordinators? And don't tell me Mangino's scheme was just a matter of "saving everything for later" or "hasn't installed it yet." When is it going to be “installedâ€￾? Of course you don't want to reveal your entire hand on opening day. But when you get in danger of losing the "gimmie" non-conference home opener (since apparently the best way to build up a program is to schedule as weakly as possible and FCS is as low as you can go), you might as well pull out all the stops and see what happens. I'd love to save the fake punts and 4th-and-1 attempts in our own territory for the likes of Oklahoma, if we're in the game late, but why not do what you gotta do regardless of opponent?

Good post. I'm the same way and I haven't done any of the things you've mentioned with the exception of saying I think we're headed for 3-9 or worse. In fact I consider 3-9 best case scenario.
 

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Wally himself said that with this young, but athletic defense we'd probably see us give up some big plays because we're out of position, but that we'd also probably make some big plays too with our athleticism.

We did in fact give up some big plays, problem was, we didn't make any on our end. No turnovers and one sack isn't enough big plays, sorry.

We seem to spend more recruiting picks on the offensive side of the ball, yet we have little to show in points.
 

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People seem to forget that we have one of the worst losing records of all-time in football. Why some people think that we should expect winning at least 6 games a year is beyond me.

Go to a tailgate. Get drunk. Hit on your co-worker. Have fun, because that's what cyclone football is about... not winning the conference. We never have and probably never will.

I get what youre saying and the tailgate will likely always be the main part of the day for me (i was in line to get in the lots at ~430 saturday) but at the same time when the AD is asking for more and more financial commitments for football, talking about raising prices in the future, etc, when you raise the bar in terms of what is expected from fans wallets, you also raise the bar in terms of what fans end up expecting from the program.
 

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People seem to forget that we have one of the worst losing records of all-time in football. Why some people think that we should expect winning at least 6 games a year is beyond me.

Go to a tailgate. Get drunk. Hit on your co-worker. Have fun, because that's what cyclone football is about... not winning the conference. We never have and probably never will.

There are some that care more about winning than tailgating, so if we lose most of our home games, they can watch on TV.
 

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I hate to wade into the Danny Mac waters, but I'll dip in a toe

D-Mac had the most god awful facilities to try and sell. There was next to nothing compared to the football complex that exists now. I remember driving by the Olsen building and seeing a light on at all hours.

Mac (finally) had a facility upgrade from the Walden era and we expected more
PR has an upgrade from Danny Mac. We should expect more.

In this world of football driven conference realignment we must demand more. We lose our seat in the Power 5 if we don't kick it in the *** on the football front. IMHO

DMAC also had much easier schedules. Much easier. We could not win a conference road game to save our ***. DMAC did terribly in the years that we had Texas and Oklahoma on the schedule.
 

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I hate to wade into the Danny Mac waters, but I'll dip in a toe

D-Mac had the most god awful facilities to try and sell. There was next to nothing compared to the football complex that exists now. I remember driving by the Olsen building and seeing a light on at all hours.

Mac (finally) had a facility upgrade from the Walden era and we expected more
PR has an upgrade from Danny Mac. We should expect more.

In this world of football driven conference realignment we must demand more. We lose our seat in the Power 5 if we don't kick it in the *** on the football front. IMHO

We have upgraded facilities. Nice stadium. Sellout crowds. Totally freakin' awesome gameday experience. It's crazy for people to think that no progress should be demanded or expected.

I think if we were still sitting here talking about crappy facilities, an administration that didn't give a ****, a bad AD or crappy fan support, than being the laughing stock of college football might be the expected outcome.
 

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A lot of programs like Ole Miss have bad records and good crowds. It's about supporting your school and having fun. Turning ISU into a winning program is a 5-10 year job. Are we on schedule? We won't know until the end of the season. This is not the year that we turn the corner.
 

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We have upgraded facilities. Nice stadium. Sellout crowds. Totally freakin' awesome gameday experience. It's crazy for people to think that no progress should be demanded or expected.

I think if we were still sitting here talking about crappy facilities, an administration that didn't give a ****, a bad AD or crappy fan support, than being the laughing stock of college football might be the expected outcome.

We have made progress. We won 3 games and then 2 games under Chizik. We have been to 3 bowl games in 5 years. And we have a really young team this year. We have beaten the 2nd ranked team in the nation. And we have beaten Top 25 conference teams on the road. Step away from the ledge.
 

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