jbhtexas: Thanks for your input. You seem to be confused. I apologize if I wasn't clear enough. Allow me to clarify.
That's fine, but your childhood association between JO and the logo doesn't change the fact that JO had nothing to do with that tornado logo.
I have said that a billion times. Here's another time for you. It was originally designed by Roger Gade for Jim Criner.
And you, who clearly knows that fact, calling it the "Orr Cyclone", is just simply dishonest.
Did you gloss over the multiple times where I wrote the Orr Cyclone is what I am calling the 2016 (?) complete redesign by
@amestoplease.
You know, a completely different logo from the 1980s Cyclone.
It has a two-tone version, it doesn't have the dated '80s font on top, it's not as rigid and flat. It's inspired by the 1980s period of athletics, a time when Johnny was the face of ISU.
Furthermore, I think the rest of your thread title is dishonest as well. I was attending Iowa State when that logo was in use, and my recollection is that the tornado logo was not well-liked.
Except the thread title is about the 2016 (?) redesign. I'm pretty sure
@amestoplease couldn't have created that as a toddler in the 1980s.
The tornado logo was unremarkable and forgettable in its time. Your fetish with the tornado logo doesn't change that.
Yes, it is a logo from its time and can stay there. Please point to where I want the 1980s Cyclone to return?
Here's something from the Orr era that should bring back some happy memories for you. Some good crowd shots in this one. No tornado logos on the player uniforms, cheerleader uniforms, or on the basketball arena equipment that I could see. How much apparel do you see with the tornado logo on it in the crowd shots? For an official logo, it seems to be MIA.
What does that have to do with the 2016 (?) redesign?
I do see an awesome Cy though, which is another topic entirely and one that I suspect you and I would agree on.
As the video shows, the primary tornado mark was hardly on anything, apparently because the consumers thought it wreaked so bad that they wouldn't buy apparel that sported it. Clearly, they wanted to buy ISU apparel because there is plenty of it there. If you look in current crowd shots, you see a number of different ISU marks, but you still see the primary logo well represented.
Fun fact! When Johnny was hired, licensing wasn't really a thing at all. The $4.3 billion giant CLC was created in 1981 and that era barely cared about logos on apparel,
let alone collecting royalties. I have never suggested that it was a hot seller during the '80s or used that as justification.
To be fair, that was a great era of fashion with the leg warmers, parachute pants, and zubaz pants, so perhaps you suggest we take inspiration from what people were wearing then?
Note how many people have IOWA STATE apparel in random fonts, etc. That's how many people bought ISU stuff--just going by a random store (Sports Page, Strawberry Patch, etc.) and getting a sweatshirt that the store staff whipped up with a random font.
Completely different era.
While Cy ruled the roost at Hilton, the Cyclone logo was still around in some contexts. During BB games, I remember the scoreboard having the logo with CYCLONE POWER, something that can be seen in this 1987 wrestling photo.
Or would you prefer the logo on ESPN from Johnny's 200th win as ISU coach?
Or maybe the 1986 upset of #5 Oklahoma with the logo on the scoreboard, faintly seen at the beginning here:
So, ultimately, when speaking of the history of that logo, it is verifiable fact that I could've stood in Hilton, looked up and seen the logo used in an official capacity, then looked down and seen Coach Orr. That is all I've ever asserted.
My issue is with misrepresenting the history of the tornado logo (i.e. implying that it was somehow endorsed by JO by calling it the "Orr Cyclone" and implying that only a few people didn't/don't like it).
I don't know how Johnny could've endorsed a logo created in 2016 (?) when he passed away in 2013.
Speaking of that new, modern, timeless logo, I put up an admittedly unscientific Twitter poll and 321 people voted 81% in favor of the Orr Cyclone versus the current nickname logo.
Likewise on the official ISU Facebook pages, I saw hundreds of complaints about the current nickname logo and nearly no praise for it.
So in the absence of any evidence offered by you, yes, I think it's fair to suggest that only a few people don't like it, relatively speaking.
