Pollard Addresses MBB

[CycloneErik]

I agree. If a kid accepts a scholarship, they assume that the coach will be there for as long as they are and that's a fair assumption. Too often a coach will take a better job somewhere months after signing the kid, leaving the kid high and dry. Not good.

If coaches take off and leave the way they do (and Mac certainly did from UNI), then why wouldn't players look at the example of that leadership generation and conclude that it's acceptable for them to do the same thing?

 

[jmb]

Just an observation: The people who seem to "get it" verse the ones that don't.

http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/forum...cf-needs-your-help-everyone-please-reply.html


***Oldman, I made an assumption off your username, hope you don't mind:smile:***

Get what exactly? Do you understand the numbers? What exactly do you get that those of us that see the program as a national leader in transfers, don't get? Please be very specific. I want numbers to support your position. I want logic, not this cryptic crap you put up. Give us exactly why we should be less than unhappy right now. Be specific.

 

[aauummm]

So everything is just "Society's Problem" that JP and GM have absolutely no control over. One question - Doesn't every other Div 1 coach have to deal with the same issues, or does ISU exist in some vacuum that has these problems? The average Div 1 team has 1 transfer per year and we are at 3-4. I guess the other coaches are evaluating players better before they bring them in or have the people skills to address problem issues with players before they reach the point where the player feels they have to leave. JP - Since this is "Society's Problem", what is the plan to turn things around since I'm pretty sure that the basic society issues aren't going to be changing much in the near future.

And what about Bill Fennelly? What is he doing wrong to cause so many transfers?

 

[vmbplayer]

Anyone who buys this is being manipulated.

Does anybody remember how Ham was viewed at a hard working, blue collar kind of kid up until the point he left? The this generation is lazy and entitled didn't seem to be brought up about him before he transferred.

Does anyone remember Lucca? How does what is afflicting this nations entitled youth affect a kid from Germany? Are the kids in German just as screwed as us entitled American youth?

I am a huge JP supporter, but this letter is a load with the exception of the last line.

He is totally playing into all the donors stereotypes. Since all the donations come from older well established people they aren't going to be offended by this comment. Bottom line is every generation has thought the country is screwed because of the next generation.

Any of you over 40 y/o folks remember what your parents were saying about those hippies while you were growing up? Now there is a generation that did nothing but sit around singing and smoking pot. Country is screwed when those hippies are running it.

If the problem is a generational thing why is it that the football coaches are always talking about this guy or that guy being a bring your lunch pale kind of guy? Why aren't all sports effected by this crappy generation?

The easiest way psychologically to get people to avoid looking at a real problem is by playing into stereotypes. There have been studies done that show as soon as you take a room of 20 people and then put them in 2 arbitrary groups they will likely support their group members stances. By making this a generational thing it is playing on that psychological effect. The money (donors) are in an older group already so it's easy to make this younger group look like they don't work hard because they are going to back their group.

This is NOT equivalent to racism, but it is the same sociological manipulation used by racists. If you can make a group of people a scapegoat for your problems you don't have to deal with what they actually are. You're poor? Well that's because Race X controls all the money. You're basketball team sucks? Well that's because the generation of players are good for nothing sloths.


Only thing I agree with in this letter is the basketball program will be fixed one way or the other.

 

[HHWalters]

Yes, Mr. Pollard, today's athletes are totally unrealistic ... wanting to play for a competent coach. And today's fans are are equally unrealistic ... wanting the AD to make a coaching change after a half-decade of basketball failure. So the bigger question, why do you want to be an Athletic Director if you don't respect today's athletes or fans?

 

[Wesley]

Thanks for finding that info. What are the other two schools that haven't been that have the same coach? Basically though, I find this astonishing.

It is interesting that both Iowa and ISU are bailing water as fast as they can while Drake and UNI have had record years.....

SYNOPSIS/PROJECTIONS
Year One: Cupboard Not Full as team leaves en masse
Year Two: Cupboard not Full short recruiting season/ Mike Taylor escapades
Year Three: Year One/Wesley Johnson foot problems
Year Four: Year One/High Hopes/Lucca Factor
Year Five: Year One/JP Letter/New Assistants/Chris and Hamm Show
Year Six: Year One/JP Letter
Year Seven: Year One/JP Letter
Year Eight: Year One/ JP Letter
Year Nine: CBI bound

 

[RossHallHero]

"Unfortunately if a kid’s world is not absolutely perfect (in their mind), they run from the problem rather than deal with it."

This isn't a problem with the players. It's a problem with the sport and the Jamie Pollards of the world are to blame.

The majority of transfers happen due to a coaching change. When Pollard decided to fire Wayne Morgan, that set off a long list of transfers that you could argue are still happening as a result of that move.

Pollard expects the players to be loyal to their word, but I don't think he had any problem poaching Mac from UNI when he was signed through 2009. It's hard to blame either of the parties because they're both trying to improve their situations. Guess what, Jamie, if it's good for the goose, it's good for the gander.

I doubt Jamie's arrogance will allow him to see the double standard that he and the coaches live under. They hate transfers, yet they play musical chairs all the time...which leads to players transferring.

Cael Sanderson and Gene Chizek left which caused many transfers.

Wayne Morgan was fired and GMac was hired which caused a billion or so transfers.

Ultimately, Jamie is responsible for all of these transfers in one form or another. He hired the coaches that weren't even mildly committed to the job and left. He fired the one who wanted to stay and the players wanted to play for. He brought in the guy that no one wants to play for.

Yeah, Jamie. It's the kids.

 

[bos]

Yes, Mr. Pollard, today's athletes are totally unrealistic ... wanting to play for a competent coach. And today's fans are are equally unrealistic ... wanting the AD to make a coaching change after a half-decade of basketball failure. So the bigger question, why do you want to be an Athletic Director if you don't respect today's athletes or fans?

Yes because kids of that age always know whats best. Im not saying what Pollard said is 100 percent accurate, but you make different decisions at that age than you would now for a reason. Experience in life teaches you better.

 

[CloneAggie]

Just an observation: The people who seem to "get it" verse the ones that don't.

http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/forum...cf-needs-your-help-everyone-please-reply.html


***Oldman, I made an assumption off your username, hope you don't mind:smile:***

I think most of us "get" what he is saying. 500 is a big number. But it is still, on average, less than one per school per year. JP doesn't seem to "get" that it is disproportionately affecting ISU? What is the underlying cause? If it were just today's youth, it would be affecting all schools equally, but it isn't. They are other factors at play that are making it impact ISU significantly more than average.

 

[thatguy]

How out of touch can you be? This letter just proves that his ego has gotten so big it clouds all common sense. I don't understand why he can't read the writing on the wall. I'm to the point now where getting mad isn't even feasible. It is just astonishing. Unreal.

 

[ajk4st8]

Rule #76. No excuses. Play like a champion.


Someone needs to email that to Pollard.

 

[RossHallHero]

How out of touch can you be? This letter just proves that his ego has gotten so big it clouds all common sense. I don't understand why he can't read the writing on the wall. I'm to the point now where getting mad isn't even feasible. It is just astonishing. Unreal.

It's frustrating that he's so out of touch with reality. As long as the majority of the fanbase continues to kiss his ring, regardless of his idiotic actions, he'll feel free to continue to play us for fools.

 

[VeloClone]

"Unfortunately if a kid’s world is not absolutely perfect (in their mind), they run from the problem rather than deal with it."

This isn't a problem with the players. It's a problem with the sport and the Jamie Pollards of the world are to blame.

The majority of transfers happen due to a coaching change. When Pollard decided to fire Wayne Morgan, that set off a long list of transfers that you could argue are still happening as a result of that move.

Pollard expects the players to be loyal to their word, but I don't think he had any problem poaching Mac from UNI when he was signed through 2009. It's hard to blame either of the parties because they're both trying to improve their situations. Guess what, Jamie, if it's good for the goose, it's good for the gander.

I doubt Jamie's arrogance will allow him to see the double standard that he and the coaches live under. They hate transfers, yet they play musical chairs all the time...which leads to players transferring.

Cael Sanderson and Gene Chizek left which caused many transfers.

Wayne Morgan was fired and GMac was hired which caused a billion or so transfers.

Ultimately, Jamie is responsible for all of these transfers in one form or another. He hired the coaches that weren't even mildly committed to the job and left. He fired the one who wanted to stay and the players wanted to play for. He brought in the guy that no one wants to play for.

Yeah, Jamie. It's the kids.

Which one of these categories are you throwing Sanderson into?

 

[BryceC]

There are 73 Big Six teams. 55 had transfers in the last 3 years. There were 131 transfers from those schools over the last 3 years. ISU had the most of any Big Six school with 7.

The average number of transfers per school per year was .598. ISU’s average number of transfers per year is 2.33. I was an English major but it looks to me like we’re more than a whole standard deviation off.

Additionally, just by a quick count it appears that there are at least 16 of the transfers are after a coaching change. Could be more or less I just eyeballed it.

Listen, I know Pollard is in the spin zone and I know transfers are an issue in Men’s College basketball. But stuff like this insults the fanbase. I’d rather him not comment. When ISU is worse off than any other BCS conference school it’s not just the lazy ungrateful kids or it would be this bad everywhere.

These numbers don't even include the number of guys who have been kicked off, left for the motherland, or any other sort of issue that has arisen during the last 3 years.

Plus, what does this say about a great kid like Scott Christopherson who played his heart out for the Clones this year while sick and who is a huge fan favorite? Was he running from his problems instead of dealing with them? Is he going to struggle to survive in the real world? I don’t think he will.

Pollard Address MBB Transfers - Clone Chronicles

 

[bos]

It's frustrating that he's so out of touch with reality. As long as the majority of the fanbase continues to kiss his ring, regardless of his idiotic actions, he'll feel free to continue to play us for fools.

How out of touch can you be? This letter just proves that his ego has gotten so big it clouds all common sense. I don't understand why he can't read the writing on the wall. I'm to the point now where getting mad isn't even feasible. It is just astonishing. Unreal.

You two should form a letter to him and have him explain it to you. Ask every question you would like and request he answer every one. Post it here. Move your talk into action.

 

[RossHallHero]

Which one of these categories are you throwing Sanderson into?

The not committed category, of course.

 

[thatguy]

You two should form a letter to him and have him explain it to you. Ask every question you would like and request he answer every one. Post it here. Move your talk into action.

Would love to but he feels that us fans aren't important enough to pay attention to. The guy is either extremely dense or extremely arrogant.
Probably both.

 

[ajk4st8]

I just dont get the letter. Who cares what CBB is like today? How come so many other schools can still win over this long of time and we cant?

Thats the answer I want to know. If transfers are happening everywhere... why can't we win when other people can

 

[CykoAGR]

Anyone who buys this is being manipulated.

Does anybody remember how Ham was viewed at a hard working, blue collar kind of kid up until the point he left? The this generation is lazy and entitled didn't seem to be brought up about him before he transferred.

Does anyone remember Lucca? How does what is afflicting this nations entitled youth affect a kid from Germany? Are the kids in German just as screwed as us entitled American youth?

I am a huge JP supporter, but this letter is a load with the exception of the last line.

He is totally playing into all the donors stereotypes. Since all the donations come from older well established people they aren't going to be offended by this comment. Bottom line is every generation has thought the country is screwed because of the next generation.

Any of you over 40 y/o folks remember what your parents were saying about those hippies while you were growing up? Now there is a generation that did nothing but sit around singing and smoking pot. Country is screwed when those hippies are running it.

If the problem is a generational thing why is it that the football coaches are always talking about this guy or that guy being a bring your lunch pale kind of guy? Why aren't all sports effected by this crappy generation?

The easiest way psychologically to get people to avoid looking at a real problem is by playing into stereotypes. There have been studies done that show as soon as you take a room of 20 people and then put them in 2 arbitrary groups they will likely support their group members stances. By making this a generational thing it is playing on that psychological effect. The money (donors) are in an older group already so it's easy to make this younger group look like they don't work hard because they are going to back their group.

This is NOT equivalent to racism, but it is the same sociological manipulation used by racists. If you can make a group of people a scapegoat for your problems you don't have to deal with what they actually are. You're poor? Well that's because Race X controls all the money. You're basketball team sucks? Well that's because the generation of players are good for nothing sloths.


Only thing I agree with in this letter is the basketball program will be fixed one way or the other.

My Vote for Post of the Month. DEAD ON ACCURATE.

 

[bos]

Would love to but he feels that us fans aren't important enough to pay attention to. The guy is either extremely dense or extremely arrogant.
Probably both.

I figured you would find a way to not do it. Easy to ***** from there without the rebuttle of the accused.