List of potential replacements should Fred Hoiberg leave

[Stormin]

No issue with otz. Issue would be asking no one else on the planet if they might be interested. It's just stupid. Like so stupid that they should fire pollard if they can't make it past the 2nd round stupid.

So let's say Pollard asked Hornacek about the job and Hornacek said he was under contract to Phoenix. BUT it would take a minimum $3 million salary plus bonuses, plus a guaranteed contract and a low buyout for the NBA. Would you bite for that?

Not sure I would.

 

[Cyclonin]

I've written before today that Pollard took a huge risk in hiring Hoiberg five years ago. To his credit, and to Fred's credit, it worked spectacularly.

However, just because a risky hire worked once does not automatically mean that it will work like a charm again. Lightning does not often strike twice.

I do think there are valid arguments to be make for hiring Otz as the head coach. I also think there are valid arguments for doing a much more thorough search and taking a long look at guys like Prohm, Underwood, and yes, Jeff Hornacek as well.

BTW, nice touch in calling my intelligence into question. I love it when people can't have a disagreement on here without resorting to the need to make it personal. Makes CycloneFanatic.com such a nice place to be.

And just because a "non-risky" hire worked once, doesn't mean it will work again either.

And I'm not questioning your intelligence, I'm sure you are much brighter than I am. It's called message board fodder and making a joke. But take it as you wish.

 

[Cyclonin]

I am prepared to support the #OtzelLord

Close enough for me, he's in!

 

[HoibergIsMyHero]

I've written before today that Pollard took a huge risk in hiring Hoiberg five years ago. To his credit, and to Fred's credit, it worked spectacularly.

However, just because a risky hire worked once does not automatically mean that it will work like a charm again. Lightning does not often strike twice.

I do think there are valid arguments to be make for hiring Otz as the head coach. I also think there are valid arguments for doing a much more thorough search and taking a long look at guys like Prohm, Underwood, and yes, Jeff Hornacek as well.

BTW, nice touch in calling my intelligence into question. I love it when people can't have a disagreement on here without resorting to the need to make it personal. Makes CycloneFanatic.com such a nice place to be.

Oh come on, time to put on the big boy pants.

 

[HoopsTournament]

Close enough for me, he's in!

All Hail the #OtzelLord

 

[Stormin]

The people justifying hiring Otz by pointing out that Hoiberg had no coaching experience either, are funny. You get a gold star.

Definite difference in coaching experience between Fred and Otz. Fred had ZERO coaching experience......not even HS.....or as an assistant. Otz has about 6 years as an Assistant Coach at ISU and Washington, plus 3 more years as Associate Head Coach at Iowa State.

So it is totally inaccurate to say that Otz has NO coaching experience. Totally inaccurate. And there really is no comparison between the two.

 

[Dandy]

I'll give you guys my take since I was the creator of #TeamOtz.

Otz has 10+ years of D1, power 5, assistant experience under some great minds like GM, LR, FH. He is a very impressive recruiter as shown in all his stops. His wife is a Cyclone Great (for those that follow WBB), and he is originally from the Midwest.

ISU is not a destination for most coaches. Hell, we couldn't get our golden boy, mayor to even stay. From the list of potential replacements, Otz is the most familiar (more on this later) with the program and seems most likely to stay for an extended period if successful.

Sidenote: If Haase was hired or even reached out to, I lose a lot of faith in JP. His team caught fire against some terrible schools in his Conf Tourney and caught the Cyclones on an overall bad day. None of that is even close to translating into "ready for the next level"

Otz had a hand in all the big names to ISU over the last decade. Maybe not so much transfers as that seemed more MA and FH hotspot. The thing about the transfer market is its not a secret anymore. Blue bloods are in on it, and I don't think that would have been a competitive advantage going forward anyways. You have to recruit 4 year players to succeed long term. Enter Otz, who seems to be a player's coach and does wonders in the HS recruiting game. He will continue to bring big time players.

Back to familiarity, IMO, the most important factor for this next year. Our group of players is obviously self-governed and hard working, no matter who the coach. In other words, coaching won't be a huge factor for this next year anyways. A top 10 team is a top 10 team regardless of the coach. I consider Otz's first year comparable to David Blatt (Cav's coach). Learn the ropes year if you will. I know a lot of people are going to lose their **** over that but I don't really care. This team is hungry for a title next year no matter who is wearing the suit and tie.

To bring in an outside person with maybe a different mindset/culture could be the poison pill. We don't need that at all.

Otz is the right choice to me because of reasons listed above. I am fully behind him and excited to see what he can do this year (if everything is true of course). If he fails, I'll eat crow, but I think this is a good opportunity for him to have success, and turn that success into continued success with recruits. He brought in stud recruits selling McD, he can certainly bring in studs if he has a successful year with this team.

Stopped reading after "great minds like GM".

 

[ISUChippewa]

And just because a "non-risky" hire worked once, doesn't mean it will work again either.

And I'm not questioning your intelligence, I'm sure you are much brighter than I am. It's called message board fodder and making a joke. But take it as you wish.

Fair enough.

And I do admit to perhaps being a bit sensitive and attuned to the culture of this message board and how people respond to and treat one another. There are some people on here, hopefully a vocal minority at best, who get completely bent out of shape and throw a hissy fit anytime someone disagrees with them. It's alternately fascinating and depressing to witness.

 

[ISUChippewa]

Oh come on, time to put on the big boy pants.

It's not so much about putting on "big boy pants" as it is about not acting like an agro-*********.

 

[Cyclonin]

Stopped reading after "great minds like GM".

Haha, fair enough. I think he is a bright bball mind though, just didnt work out here.

 

[isucy86]

New Coach

I find it so interesting that people only want a new coach who replicates CFH's style of play. Personally, I find watching a team that scores 65 ppg just as exciting as a team that scores 80ppg. The most important thing about any coaching hire is finding the guy who gives the Cyclones the best chance to have a top 15 program- year-in, year-out.

I am also not convinced that our curent roster can ONLY be an elite team playing CFH style. The guys could play for Scott Drew, Bill Self or Bruce Weber and be an elite team. The basketball skills and athletic talent is that good.

If I were AD and needed to hire a new coach, I would look for a guy who has got teams to the NCAA Tournament with his player over multiple years. To me guys like Tad Boyle, Chris Mack, Archie Miller and Mick Cronin would be at the top of the list. Tim Miles would have been high on my list too, but he just signed a contract extension.

If none of those guys are available, I think Brad Underwood and Bryce Drew would be next on my list. Where does TJ fit in, I hope he would ben the staff of any of the above. His ISU ties go beyond Hoiberg, he was a McDermott hire and was with Romar the last two year, so he would be valuable to any staff.

After all, the key to the next head coach is a guy who can coach and hire a staff of top notch recruiters.

 

[Cyclonin]

Fair enough.

And I do admit to perhaps being a bit sensitive and attuned to the culture of this message board and how people respond to and treat one another. There are some people on here, hopefully a vocal minority at best, who get completely bent out of shape and throw a hissy fit anytime someone disagrees with them. It's alternately fascinating and depressing to witness.

It's not so much about putting on "big boy pants" as it is about not acting like an agro-*********.

I've learned that letting a message board post get to you isn't a way to live your life. And what was censored? See Im learning new words from you.

 

[CyRann22]

Re: New Coach

I find it so interesting that people only want a new coach who replicates CFH's style of play. Personally, I find watching a team that scores 65 ppg just as exciting as a team that scores 80ppg. The most important thing about any coaching hire is finding the guy who gives the Cyclones the best chance to have a top 15 program- year-in, year-out.

I am also not convinced that our curent roster can ONLY be an elite team playing CFH style. The guys could play for Scott Drew, Bill Self or Bruce Weber and be an elite team. The basketball skills and athletic talent is that good.

If I were AD and needed to hire a new coach, I would look for a guy who has got teams to the NCAA Tournament with his player over multiple years. To me guys like Tad Boyle, Chris Mack, Archie Miller and Mick Cronin would be at the top of the list. Tim Miles would have been high on my list too, but he just signed a contract extension.

If none of those guys are available, I think Brad Underwood and Bryce Drew would be next on my list. Where does TJ fit in, I hope he would ben the staff of any of the above. His ISU ties go beyond Hoiberg, he was a McDermott hire and was with Romar the last two year, so he would be valuable to any staff.

After all, the key to the next head coach is a guy who can coach and hire a staff of top notch recruiters.

Because it gives ISU an identity that it desperately needs.

 

[ejcs]

Well, we know Niang's mom doesn't want TJ Otzelberger, that's for sure.

I wonder if he would consider transferring if TJ was named the coach. Sounds like she really dislikes him a great deal.

This guy serious? What a stupid post

 

[Incyte]

I'm withdrawing my membership from #TeamOtz. I just saw he's only about a year older than me and will soon be a coach at a P5 school. I don't need another guy being awesome at my age as I meander around in mediocrity.

Also, he really robbed the cradle with Allison Lacey, didn't he?

 

[Dandy]

I find it so interesting that people only want a new coach who replicates CFH's style of play. Personally, I find watching a team that scores 65 ppg just as exciting as a team that scores 80ppg. The most important thing about any coaching hire is finding the guy who gives the Cyclones the best chance to have a top 15 program- year-in, year-out.

I am also not convinced that our curent roster can ONLY be an elite team playing CFH style. The guys could play for Scott Drew, Bill Self or Bruce Weber and be an elite team. The basketball skills and athletic talent is that good.

If I were AD and needed to hire a new coach, I would look for a guy who has got teams to the NCAA Tournament with his player over multiple years. To me guys like Tad Boyle, Chris Mack, Archie Miller and Mick Cronin would be at the top of the list. Tim Miles would have been high on my list too, but he just signed a contract extension.

If none of those guys are available, I think Brad Underwood and Bryce Drew would be next on my list. Where does TJ fit in, I hope he would ben the staff of any of the above. His ISU ties go beyond Hoiberg, he was a McDermott hire and was with Romar the last two year, so he would be valuable to any staff.

After all, the key to the next head coach is a guy who can coach and hire a staff of top notch recruiters.

Bruce Weber sucks. Archie Miller turned down $3M to coach a program that has won a national title in the last ten years. Brad Underwood is probably waiting for Weber to get fired. Tim Miles signing a contract extension doesn't mean anything (see Bobby Hurley and Steve Alford).

 

[Cyclonin]

Fair enough.

And I do admit to perhaps being a bit sensitive and attuned to the culture of this message board and how people respond to and treat one another. There are some people on here, hopefully a vocal minority at best, who get completely bent out of shape and throw a hissy fit anytime someone disagrees with them. It's alternately fascinating and depressing to witness.

I'm withdrawing my membership from #TeamOtz. I just saw he's only about a year older than me and will soon be a coach at a P5 school. I don't need another guy being awesome at my age as I meander around in mediocrity.

Also, he really robbed the cradle with Allison Lacey, didn't he?

You will be missed, don't let the door hit ya on the way out.

 

[ISUChippewa]

I've learned that letting a message board post get to you isn't a way to live your life. And what was censored? See Im learning new words from you.

We're starting to go off-topic here, but I don't lose sleep over the lack of manners and civility on a message board, but I do think it's an interesting window into how some people behave anonymously.

 

[Cyclonepride]

So let's say Pollard asked Hornacek about the job and Hornacek said he was under contract to Phoenix. BUT it would take a minimum $3 million salary plus bonuses, plus a guaranteed contract and a low buyout for the NBA. Would you bite for that?

Not sure I would.

I'd go 2.5, bonuses at high benchmarks that could get it to 2.8 max, $800k NBA buy out and free dental

 

[sigh]

Re: New Coach

I find it so interesting that people only want a new coach who replicates CFH's style of play. Personally, I find watching a team that scores 65 ppg just as exciting as a team that scores 80ppg. The most important thing about any coaching hire is finding the guy who gives the Cyclones the best chance to have a top 15 program- year-in, year-out.

I am also not convinced that our curent roster can ONLY be an elite team playing CFH style. The guys could play for Scott Drew, Bill Self or Bruce Weber and be an elite team. The basketball skills and athletic talent is that good.

If I were AD and needed to hire a new coach, I would look for a guy who has got teams to the NCAA Tournament with his player over multiple years. To me guys like Tad Boyle, Chris Mack, Archie Miller and Mick Cronin would be at the top of the list. Tim Miles would have been high on my list too, but he just signed a contract extension.

If none of those guys are available, I think Brad Underwood and Bryce Drew would be next on my list. Where does TJ fit in, I hope he would ben the staff of any of the above. His ISU ties go beyond Hoiberg, he was a McDermott hire and was with Romar the last two year, so he would be valuable to any staff.

After all, the key to the next head coach is a guy who can coach and hire a staff of top notch recruiters.

It's fun and "NBA like." Players love it and it translates well to the next level. Also, like CyRann22 said "it gives ISU an identity that it desperately needs."