Let's have a serious discussion about CPR

chuckd4735

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You took my comment to about 3 more levels. I donate and go to every home game, but appreciate your response.

I don't necessarily disagree with your second point, I just don't think a different coach will change the results we get. We will always get the 2nd and 3rd tier Texas/Florida guys as long as we're in the Big 12.


Valid counter here, hadn't thought of this much. I suppose we won't know how much this will or won't help with recruiting for a few more years.

The SEZ is just another piece. The Bergstrom facility has been up and running for almost 3 years now. We should have a good gauge by now if CPR is able to recruit with that.

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I was already hearing it Saturday night.

I don't care if we lost to UNI and went 0-12, Iowa State is in a position to gain absolutely nothing by firing a coach mid-season.

Tickets for this season are sold, whether there are butts in seats or not.
Single game tickets will not go up after firing a coach.
We're not going to hire a replacement mid-season.
Mangino hasn't proven himself as OC, we really want to hand him the keys?
Ticket renewals aren't due until, what, March?
Donations aren't due until April.
A mid-season firing is viewed as a real **** move by other coaches, so we will be eliminating many in our already-shallow pool of candidates who will want to come here.

I'm not saying keep him. I'm not saying fire him. I'm saying I've already heard talk of wanting him fired after the KU game (if it's a loss). What I'm saying is anyone who wishes for a mid-season firing is a ****** that has no ******* idea of the situation we're in.

I'm not sold on firing CPR either...yet. But a 1-4 start with losses to Kansas, Toledo, and Iowa (3 of the 4 worst teams on the schedule) will change a lot of minds after the first weekend in October. I, for one, hope that isn't the case and that somehow things suddenly correct themselves, but I'm also a realist.

The worst thing that an ISU football coach can do is to cause hope to be lost. I think that we're about 2 more losses away from that. The tickets for this fall may be sold, but think about how "wonderful" it will be for the last home game of the season for our 1-8 team to come in front of a crowd of < 10,000. And then think about the sales job that will be required to get those season ticket holders back in 2016.

Pollard may need to make a coaching decision by Veteran's day in order to save the 2016 season.
 

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And then think about the sales job that will be required to get those season ticket holders back in 2016.

Pollard may need to make a coaching decision by Veteran's day in order to save the 2016 season.

The first year of our recent record-breaking season ticket sales years (the barometer graphic year) was Gene Chizek's first year.

From November 29th until the renewal deadlines is plenty of time to hire a replacement. And that's your sales pitch at this point. So you can fire him 10 minutes from now or you can fire him on November 29th, but your sales pitch ain't coming out until December anyway, and the deadline isn't for months.

Again. I'm not saying fire him. I'm saying if you're going to, you wait until November 29th.
 

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The first year of our recent record-breaking season ticket sales years (the barometer graphic year) was Gene Chizek's first year.

From November 29th until the renewal deadlines is plenty of time to hire a replacement. And that's your sales pitch at this point. So you can fire him 10 minutes from now or you can fire him on November 29th, but your sales pitch ain't coming out until December anyway, and the deadline isn't for months.

Again. I'm not saying fire him. I'm saying if you're going to, you wait until November 29th.

God yes. Firing a coach before the season is over is just plain stupid. Especially if you don't have a viable person in place now. And I think we all should realize Magino isn't the ******* answer. Hell, if an assistant should be a head coach you might as well give it to Wally.
 

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God yes. Firing a coach before the season is over is just plain stupid. Especially if you don't have a viable person in place now. And I think we all should realize Magino isn't the ******* answer. Hell, if an assistant should be a head coach you might as well give it to Wally.

I originally gave this a thumbs up while I was reading it but took it back when I got to the "give it to Wally" line.
 

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The first year of our recent record-breaking season ticket sales years (the barometer graphic year) was Gene Chizek's first year.

From November 29th until the renewal deadlines is plenty of time to hire a replacement. And that's your sales pitch at this point. So you can fire him 10 minutes from now or you can fire him on November 29th, but your sales pitch ain't coming out until December anyway, and the deadline isn't for months.

Again. I'm not saying fire him. I'm saying if you're going to, you wait until November 29th.

I don't think we're saying much different things at this point. The only reason to dismiss him at coach before the post game press conference after the last game is if you had a replacement on staff that you wanted to give a shot at winning the job.

That said, I think that the decision is already close to being made.
 

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This point has been made in other threads but if it's true our two big boosters are 100% in favor of CPR, that kind of worries me as a fan. It's also a privilege of theirs since they have a lot of money.

Those guys are gonna be asked to help buyout CPR when the time comes(unless he stays here for a couple of years), if they refuse to help and threaten to quit donating to the football program that will put Pollard in a tough position. I just hope people in that situation would be loyal to Pollard/rest of ISU if he wants to can CPR and not just because CPR is a friend of theirs.

I've seen a couple posts hint that way and it's kind of scary if true.
 

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Those guys are gonna be asked to help buyout CPR when the time comes(unless he stays here for a couple of years), if they refuse to help and threaten to quit donating to the football program that will put Pollard in a tough position. I just hope people in that situation would be loyal to Pollard/rest of ISU if he wants to can CPR and not just because CPR is a friend of theirs.

Or Pollard could just say, "He's fired, and thanks for the endzone!"

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What 2016 class are you speaking of? We have 5 commits right now.[/QUOTE

That's the fact that cannot be ignored, now or at the end of the season. ISU does not have 22 Big 12 caliber athletes, depth is shallow at many positions and few prospects are signing up with all of the uncertainty surrounding the team.

I'm sticking with last year's thought; Coach is gone before the season ends.
 

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That was the worst half of offense I have seen in a long time. Our best RB was a walk on WR from the UNI Track Squad. We have had 5 years to find a replacement for Alexander Robinson and we haven't done. Our Run Blocking Schemes were atrocious. It was Herman's fault, it was Messingham's fault, it was Klenakis' fault. We are young, Our QB needs more time, our WR's aren't getting space.

All signs point to one guy. I am sorry, that UNI game was not as awesome as some thought it was. We beat them because their Punter gave Ryan and Lazard the punt of their life every time and our Offense had short fields (Which I know is part of the game). This is on Rhoads. And I like the guy. I think he has been great for the University and put us on the map, but I am out. I hope to God he goes and makes me eat all the crow in Ames, but I do not see it. Not at all. Like I said, I hope I am wrong.
 

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There's no question in my mind that there is far more skill and talent here on defense compared to last year. Let things bear out a little before being so judgmental on the defense. The offense is practically at full strength, so the criticism is warranted. The D on the other hand has been missing key figures. Surrendering 7 and essentially 24 vs Iowa aint that bad considering the facts.

Missing a top corner...who is also a senior, along with Floyd gave ISU a skeleton crew at the defensive back end in the 2nd half. I don't remember Tribune who also has some talent getting picked on by Iowa. They had to attack 2nd stringers. What's that translate to when the D is fully intact for KU/Tech?

Pierson has shown his late season form right out the gate. Tucker impresses me as much as any interior D-lineman we've seen under Rhoads. LBs are still kind of sketchy, but sketchy would have been an upgrade last year. Hopefully Thomas can get his legs under him. If that guy turns it on in a month like he's advertised, this D will be certainly as good as 2012, but definitely more scary for opposing QBs.

That's the unit that will have to carry this team until the offense hopefully figures things out...but I think the defense can/will be very good in a short amount of time.
 
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Whats the sample size needed to know this staff cant produce a run game? I think 5 years sounds about right.
We may not run against Toledo for a hundred, but if we cannot run for two hundred against KU, the sky will fall.
 

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My opinion:

4 or less wins - Fire him no matter what
5 wins - 50/50. If there was significant improvement at the end of the season, consider giving him an extra year
6+ wins - He's safe

I really do want Rhoads to be the coach, but at some point you have to come to terms and realize that the results the past 2.X years have been unacceptable.
 

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Rhoads is winning at the same clip as everyone else in the last 3 decades, getting rid of him won't change anything besides our irrational expectations for the next coach.

Not quite. Here's what www.coacheshotseat.com had to say:

1. Paul Rhoads, Iowa State – Cyclones head coach Paul Rhoads is on a pretty bad run of late and the loss to Iowa over the weekend on Iowa State’s home field by a score of…
31 – 17

….didn’t help matters and just by comparison over Paul Rhoads last 26 games coaching ISU he has posted a record of….
6 – 20

…and the previous head coach at Iowa State Dan McCarney posted a record over his last 26 games at ISU of…
12 – 14
….and also by comparison puts the winning percentages of Rhoads and McCarney at…

.231 for Paul Rhoads in last 26 games at ISU
.462 for Dan McCarney in last 26 games at ISU

Sorry, but Paul Rhoads can be the nicest and hardest working guy in the world and by all accounts we have heard he is both BUT we caught some of the Iowa – Iowa State game on Saturday and to put it bluntly…..

Iowa State DOES NOT look like a very well coached football team right now…PERIOD.

Oh….up next for Iowa State…
At Toledo which just beat Arkansas in Fayetteville!

Good Luck with that Paul and here’s a tip…don’t complain this week like some kind of LOSER about Ohio State’s schedule when you have a team to get ready to play Toledo!
 

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The SEZ is just another piece. The Bergstrom facility has been up and running for almost 3 years now. We should have a good gauge by now if CPR is able to recruit with that.

He cant

So are Iowa State's facilities head and shoulders above everyone else in the Big 12??????......or not??? Sounds like our competitors had better facilities and are expanding their facilities at the same rate or faster than we are.