Initial College Football Playoff Rankings Released

Clark

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Most ranking systems still love USC, hell they're 7th in the Sagarin rankings even with three losses.

yeah I don't quite understand the love, it's not like they lost to 3 top 5 teams. I also don't think they're done losing.
 

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Hawkeyes play 4 teams with losing records. Their SOS is going to drop like a rock.
 

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Not sure if this was already referenced.

http://espn.go.com/college-football...equal-first-college-football-playoff-rankings

Sounds like they are already setting the stage for how even if Iowa goes undefeated, they could potentially still get left out of the playoff. Their "eye test", will keep Iowa out of it. Especially since now it sounds like they set the standard for how they will judge things for the next rankings.

Answer: eye test.
"Their offense is something we look at closely," Long said of the Hawkeyes. "I think there's a question in the room of how strong their offense is. I think their defense has been consistent, but it's difficult to judge based on the quality of teams they've played at this point in some respects."

"A team's record speaks volumes, but it doesn't tell us everything about that team's résumé," Long said. "Our committee's charge is to go deeper. We always look at strength of schedule, and this was discussed in great depth over the last two days. Losses against a quality opponent were also taken into account. We discussed whether any one-loss teams should be ranked higher than undefeated teams because of the strength of their schedule or the circumstances around their loss."

"What can't change is the committee's philosophy.

It has to continue to apply the same standards through the next five rankings. It was just difficult to tell from the first ranking which standards carried the most weight."
 

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Hawkeyes play 4 teams with losing records. Their SOS is going to drop like a rock.

The "if Iowa goes 13-0 they are automatically in" talk is hilarious. Do they think the committee is changing any time soon? Is ESPN no longer broadcasting the playoff?

I heard Trent Condon on the radio yesterday saying that Iowa is a National Brand and they got higher ratings in some random game than some other random games 5 years ago so that means "Even non-Iowa fans are interested in the hoks". Laffy.
 

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That is stupid and introduces bias. Why and exactly how are they "measuring" this?

I agree. Who says that you define how good a football team is by their offensive and defensive balance?

Why is winning a game by the score of 60-53 any worse than winning one by the score of 24-17, or 3-0 for that matter?
Wouldn't offensive and defensive balance involve scoring a lot while holding your opponent to little. Maybe like TCU beating WVU 40-10 or Baylor beating Kansas 66-7?
 

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Not sure if this was already referenced.

http://espn.go.com/college-football...equal-first-college-football-playoff-rankings

Sounds like they are already setting the stage for how even if Iowa goes undefeated, they could potentially still get left out of the playoff. Their "eye test", will keep Iowa out of it. Especially since now it sounds like they set the standard for how they will judge things for the next rankings.

Answer: eye test.
"Their offense is something we look at closely," Long said of the Hawkeyes. "I think there's a question in the room of how strong their offense is. I think their defense has been consistent, but it's difficult to judge based on the quality of teams they've played at this point in some respects."

"A team's record speaks volumes, but it doesn't tell us everything about that team's résumé," Long said. "Our committee's charge is to go deeper. We always look at strength of schedule, and this was discussed in great depth over the last two days. Losses against a quality opponent were also taken into account. We discussed whether any one-loss teams should be ranked higher than undefeated teams because of the strength of their schedule or the circumstances around their loss."

"What can't change is the committee's philosophy.

It has to continue to apply the same standards through the next five rankings. It was just difficult to tell from the first ranking which standards carried the most weight."

The "if Iowa goes 13-0 they are automatically in" talk is hilarious. Do they think the committee is changing any time soon? Is ESPN no longer broadcasting the playoff?

I heard Trent Condon on the radio yesterday saying that Iowa is a National Brand and they got higher ratings in some random game than some other random games 5 years ago so that means "Even non-Iowa fans are interested in the hoks". Laffy.
 

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Wouldn't offensive and defensive balance involve scoring a lot while holding your opponent to little. Maybe like TCU beating WVU 40-10 or Baylor beating Kansas 66-7?

did you just bring Kansas into this discussion?

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Yes. This backloaded B12 schedule is going to hurt the conference more than help. OU, OSU, Baylor, TCU are going to kill each other.
Which ever team emerges from this schedule (I'm guessing TCU) should be the top ranked team of the four teams in the playoff.
 
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Hawkeyes play 4 teams with losing records. Their SOS is going to drop like a rock.

Good point. The SEC schools' SOS is only going to trend up as they finally start playing each other and Ole Miss. Iowa's is about to drop like a rock (it was 6th out of the top 10 right now, sure, but it a pretty far distance from 5th and pretty close to 7th to 9th). TCU and Baylor, or even OSU, assuming they can win out and beat OU, are going to have theirs shoot up, particularly TCU's ranking. Notre Dame I would imagine is going to hold steady, and Clemson is probably going to drop slightly.
 

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I think in the best interest of the B12 it needs to be an undefeated TCU or Oklahoma that wins the B12. reason being is the non-conf for these 2 doesn't allow the committee to shoot holes in it, TCU beat minny in MSP and Okla beat Tenn in neyland stadium. those are 2 decent P5 teams that netted the B12 wins on the road. Baylor once again disregards the non-conf and says "up-yours" to the SOS talk. they have decided that they will roll the dice on going undefeated and hope that gets them in. If the bears do win out they will be in but if they are battling any 1 loss team I think they are screwed. Same can be said of OKIE St this yr central, central and UTSA wont win you any favors with the committee.
 

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Best hope is for TCU to win out. I can see that happening. I just do not see the love for Notre Dame.
 

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If Ohio st and mich st lose a game in regular season the BIG will get left out. I could easily see Ohio st beating much st and losing @mich. both teams would drop out of the top 10 likely. Iowa needs to route hard for tOSU or mich st to stay undefeated to have any shot. They also need to be routing hard for ISU to keep winning:)
 

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Best hope is for TCU to win out. I can see that happening. I just do not see the love for Notre Dame.

They have one of the stronger SOS in the top ten and lost a close game in a hurricane to the one seed.

They are getting the most venom from my Pantherhawk neighbor though, who came over to scream at me when I was going out to walk the dog. Lots of slurs thrown in about Condi Rice as well.
 

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Not sure if this was already referenced.

http://espn.go.com/college-football...equal-first-college-football-playoff-rankings

Sounds like they are already setting the stage for how even if Iowa goes undefeated, they could potentially still get left out of the playoff. Their "eye test", will keep Iowa out of it. Especially since now it sounds like they set the standard for how they will judge things for the next rankings.

Answer: eye test.
"Their offense is something we look at closely," Long said of the Hawkeyes. "I think there's a question in the room of how strong their offense is. I think their defense has been consistent, but it's difficult to judge based on the quality of teams they've played at this point in some respects."

"A team's record speaks volumes, but it doesn't tell us everything about that team's résumé," Long said. "Our committee's charge is to go deeper. We always look at strength of schedule, and this was discussed in great depth over the last two days. Losses against a quality opponent were also taken into account. We discussed whether any one-loss teams should be ranked higher than undefeated teams because of the strength of their schedule or the circumstances around their loss."

"What can't change is the committee's philosophy.

It has to continue to apply the same standards through the next five rankings. It was just difficult to tell from the first ranking which standards carried the most weight."

When you play offenses on the same level as Kansas' yes, this is why your defense is ranked in the top 10. It's all relative, but good luck explaining that to an Iowa fan.
 

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They have one of the stronger SOS in the top ten and lost a close game in a hurricane to the one seed.

They are getting the most venom from my Pantherhawk neighbor though, who came over to scream at me when I was going out to walk the dog. Lots of slurs thrown in about Condi Rice as well.

How much doesn't he care though? That's what I want to know.
 

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Again, according to Sagarin... SOS rankings for the Top 10 in the committee...

Clemson (28)
LSU (37)
Ohio State (68)
Alabama (9)
Notre Dame (16)
Baylor (104)
Michigan State (59)
TCU (53)
Iowa (47)
Florida (15)

Baylor's is a joke so far, sue, but Ohio State is next to last on that list.

Baylor and TCU both have two undefeated teams and one loss OU left on their schedule. Ohio State plays MSU and Michigan.

Michigan State has a division deciding game against tOSU.

Iowa's only remaining possible game worth a **** is the Big 10 championship.
 

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ND probably misses out in that scenario. Unfortunately for them, USC, GTech and Texas's fall has hurt them.
If they win out, their best win would be @Stanford which Iowa could match with the Big 10 title game.
What are ND's 2nd and 3rd best wins? Temple and a multiple loss USC team?


I am not 100% sure I agree, but this would be a very reasonable argument based on the facts.

Unfortunately, the committee is not really about facts. It's about branding. Brand Notre Dame >> Brand Iowa.

Not a slight against Iowa, just the NCAA protects the OSUs, Bamas, and other blue bloods. Teams like TCU, Baylor, Iowa... well, we can always find an excuse to drop them.

It depends on who ends up where, but a 1-loss Bama will absolutely get in before an undefeated TCU. You can argue the merits either way, but it doesn't really matter. You might think this is a cynical view, but can one ever be too cynical about how the NCAA operates?
 

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