Initial College Football Playoff Rankings Released

[HFCS]

You do realize they changed computer formula/the bcs formula when they did away with it.

Wonder why that was?

The Big 12 is/was consistently the #2 conference in college football per computer rankings. Some years, 1, some 3, but generally #2. They junked the formula that was 1/3 rational for a stacked committee that could make things more subjective and more slanted.

 

[ArgentCy]

I have no problem with the rankings. Jeff Long already said the committee values offensive and defensive balance. That hurts the Big 12, same with not having that 13th game. Smart of Bowlsby to backload the schedule though. Even if Big 12 is shut out again, the round robin will help the Big 12 SOS, just like basketball, provided the non-conference schedule is increased more than other P5 conference teams. I heard the non-conf schedule is already done for the next 5 years though. Ugh.

That is stupid and introduces bias. Why and exactly how are they "measuring" this?

 

[HFCS]

Here is what I know. The sec has higher rated teams which makes Bama schedule look tougher. Tech beat Arkansas and ou beat tennessee.

So if I keep inflating the ranking of the sec teams doesn't that guarantee they will have a tough schedule even if it isnt?

TCU was hosed last year. No way under the old bcs system they aren't top 4. Absolutely no way that happens.

And they are undefeated now with a win over a big ten team. See big ten teams ahead of them.

Ohio State proved themselves last year.

TCU also proved they were clearly at least the #2 team.

Ohio State gets to stay #1 until beaten. TCU doesn't get to stay #2 until beaten, they are dropped from 2 to 8 for little reason the same way they got dropped from 3 to 6 for no reason. This thing is a bunch of horse$h!+.

 

[HFCS]

I'll be curious to see how it will be rationalized should a deserving Big XII team be left out again. Thankfully theres still a few weeks for the standings to sort themselves out.

Ohio State plays absolutely nobody until the last two weeks. It's odd to say they are 6-7 spots better than TCU who has played and will play a tougher schedule. If you go the 'defending champ until beaten' route than it makes since for TCU to be clearly #2 in the nation until beaten.

 

[Gonzo]

Some Stanford chick spittin fire at Hawk fans

@HopTayHop: @AustinJLuse outside your fan base, no one takes you seriously so enjoy jerking yourselves off.

@HopTayHop: @AustinJLuse ESPN said it best. Tough remaining games... Stanford-Cal, Ore, ND and Utah/UCLA. Iowa-big 10 title.

@HopTayHop: @AustinJLuse Iowa remaining schedule includes everyone but the deaf and the blind. They're a joke

Also, would

Stanford got rolled by a team Iowa curb stomped by 30. Don't blame her for being upset.

 

[cyclonedave25]

Lets say Bama or LSU wins out.
Clemson wins out.
Notre Dame wins out.
Baylor or TCU win out.
Iowa wins out.

Does Iowa miss the playoffs? If no, who do they leap frog of those teams listed above to make it in?
I realize that scenario is very unlikely, but if Iowa goes 13-0, I could still see them missing the playoffs if 4 other teams ahead of them also goes undefeated.

 

[D UP Clones]

Reading between the lines.


"**** you, Big 12."

That's the problem with a four-team system when there are five major conferences--one of them is always going to end up ****ed every year, no matter what.

Add in Notre Dame being in the picture every 4-5 years, and then you have two conferences in that boat. Let's hope it's not an annual tradition with ours.

I have no problem with the rankings. Jeff Long already said the committee values offensive and defensive balance. That hurts the Big 12, same with not having that 13th game. Smart of Bowlsby to backload the schedule though. Even if Big 12 is shut out again, the round robin will help the Big 12 SOS, just like basketball, provided the non-conference schedule is increased more than other P5 conference teams. I heard the non-conf schedule is already done for the next 5 years though. Ugh.

offensive and defensive balance?

So winning close games against bad teams is offensive and defensive balance. It amazes me how many people buy this bs.

Head to head is how you separate the bs from reality. The big twelve more than holds its own in those match ups.

Iowa is tied with isu with 4 minutes left and wins.
OSU AND MSU have looked terrible in terms of good wins...barely beating bad bad teams.
Notre dame just scraped by temple and has a loss.

Makes me laugh every time I hear these committee members explain their reasoning. Clueless.

 

[clonedude]

That is stupid and introduces bias. Why and exactly how are they "measuring" this?

I agree. Who says that you define how good a football team is by their offensive and defensive balance?

Why is winning a game by the score of 60-53 any worse than winning one by the score of 24-17, or 3-0 for that matter?

 

[Sigmapolis]

Stealing from Jeff Sagarin...

CONFERENCE CENTRAL MEAN SIMPLE AVERAGE TEAMS WIN50%

1 SEC-WEST (A) = 83.89 84.10 ( 1) 7 84.04 ( 1)
2 BIG 12 (A) = 79.56 78.90 ( 2) 10 79.57 ( 2)
3 PAC-12(SOUTH) (A) = 78.30 77.96 ( 3) 6 78.13 ( 3)
4 PAC-12(NORTH) (A) = 78.27 77.57 ( 4) 6 77.95 ( 4)
5 ACC-COASTAL (A) = 76.68 76.35 ( 5) 7 76.41 ( 5)
6 BIG TEN-EAST (A) = 76.27 76.33 ( 6) 7 76.35 ( 6)
7 SEC-EAST (A) = 75.28 75.96 ( 7) 7 75.73 ( 7)
8 ACC-ATLANTIC (A) = 74.68 75.35 ( 8) 7 74.91 ( 8)
9 I-A INDEPENDENTS (A) = 74.26 73.06 ( 10) 3 74.62 ( 9)
10 BIG TEN-WEST (A) = 74.24 74.50 ( 9) 7 74.40 ( 10)
11 AAC WEST (A) = 68.29 68.04 ( 11) 6 68.18 ( 11)
12 AAC EAST (A) = 66.85 66.32 ( 12) 6 66.68 ( 12)
13 MAC-WEST (A) = 64.16 63.03 ( 14) 6 63.81 ( 14)
14 MWC-MOUNTAIN (A) = 64.09 64.09 ( 13) 6 64.12 ( 13)
15 MISSOURI VALLEY (AA)= 58.76 57.67 ( 16) 10 58.47 ( 16)

The Big 12 is the best conference in the country by this computer ranking (the SEC West is good, I'll admit, but the SEC East with Vandy, UK, and USC is a joke this year, as well as mediocre Georgia and Missouri, the only decent team is Florida). The ACC is awful outside of Clemson, and even the Pac-12 is a down year. Evidently having a deep, consistent conference where EVERYBODY HAS TO PLAY EACH OTHER and you can't avoid marquee match-ups against your own best is rewarded rather than punished. Baylor-TCU-OSU-Oklahoma over the next few weeks is going to be fascinating. In the Big 10? Iowa isn't even going to play MSU or OSU until the championship game.

"Offensive/defensive balance" is a complete non-reason for a bunch of people that judge the "quality" of a conference based on the year being had by its blue-blood programs. Texas and Oklahoma are down, the Big 12 much suck, not that Baylor and TCU have developed some very dynamic, innovative talents and offensive systems that are fun to watch and run circles around the lack of growth or innovation at OU and the mess of a program that is Texas. Alabama, LSU, and Florida are good in the SEC? The SEC must rock! I would only imagine what they would say about the SEC if Vandy managed to put together a good run sometime--"it must be really down if they're winning."

It's a crock. Always was/still is.

 

[clonedude]

IMO, TCU's schedule has been just as tough, or tougher, than Ohio State's thus far.

 

[CyForPresident]

If ever there was a time for the Big 12 Refs to put the fix in, it's now. We desperately need a 12-0 team. Baylor, TCU, OSU... Don't care who, just go 12-0

 

[cyfreak10]

Texas is not good.

 

[Sigmapolis]

Again, according to Sagarin... SOS rankings for the Top 10 in the committee...

Clemson (28)
LSU (37)
Ohio State (68)
Alabama (9)
Notre Dame (16)
Baylor (104)
Michigan State (59)
TCU (53)
Iowa (47)
Florida (15)

Baylor's is a joke so far, sue, but Ohio State is next to last on that list.

 

[Beyerball]

Ohio state is last years Florida st. Barely beating teams and squeaking by. I think Ohio st drops a game yet..mich st or @Mich. amd when they do if Iowa beats a one loss non top 5 team for big title to go 13-0 I can see Iowa not getting in. Notre Dame is wild card for Iowa IMO. Bama or LSU are getting in one of the two. Clemson beats Florida ST they will get in. If a big 12 team runs table they will get in. Notre Dame wins out they are in IMO. BIG is Out.

 

[HFCS]

Again, according to Sagarin... SOS rankings for the Top 10 in the committee...

Clemson (28)
LSU (37)
Ohio State (68)
Alabama (9)
Notre Dame (16)
Baylor (104)
Michigan State (59)
TCU (53)
Iowa (47)
Florida (15)

Baylor's is a joke so far, sue, but Ohio State is next to last on that list.

I swear if anyone talks about this on ESPN they get fired, it has to be official policy.

Some of them even talk about TCU's weak schedule when it isn't even weak, we have ISU fans on this site telling me TCU's schedule is worse than Ohio State's. The misinformation is so bad we've got Big 12 fans bashing the Big 12 for nonsense.

Our conference is almost always #1 or #2 in overall SOS since we've gone to nine games, the ONLY asterisk there is that Baylor schedule 3 cupcakes annually.

 

[rholtgraves]

big 12 might get left out again. I don't see a team going undefeated.

 

[Clark]

Lets say Bama or LSU wins out.
Clemson wins out.
Notre Dame wins out.
Baylor or TCU win out.
Iowa wins out.

Does Iowa miss the playoffs? If no, who do they leap frog of those teams listed above to make it in?
I realize that scenario is very unlikely, but if Iowa goes 13-0, I could still see them missing the playoffs if 4 other teams ahead of them also goes undefeated.

ND probably misses out in that scenario. Unfortunately for them, USC, GTech and Texas's fall has hurt them.

If they win out, their best win would be @Stanford which Iowa could match with the Big 10 title game.

What are ND's 2nd and 3rd best wins? Temple and a multiple loss USC team?

 

[tm3308]

I swear if anyone talks about this on ESPN they get fired, it has to be official policy.

Some of them even talk about TCU's weak schedule when it isn't even weak, we have ISU fans on this site telling me TCU's schedule is worse than Ohio State's. The misinformation is so bad we've got Big 12 fans bashing the Big 12 for nonsense.

Our conference is almost always #1 or #2 in overall SOS since we've gone to nine games, the ONLY asterisk there is that Baylor schedule 3 cupcakes annually.

You think you've (Big 12) got it bad? David Pollack straight up said Iowa had one of the worst SOS in the Power 5, when that is blatantly false. Their SOS to date is 6th among the top 10, and their strength of record is 6th nationally (they were all over Alabama's #3 ranking in that category last night, but made zero mention of Iowa's #6 because that would go completely against the narrative they've constructed). It's not the first time they've done something like that.

TCU or Baylor, if they go undefeated, will absolutely get in. They're both well within striking distance already and have all of their big games left to play. They're either going to win their way in down the stretch, or they won't. They aren't getting jumped by anyone if they win out.

 

[CyJack13]

ND probably misses out in that scenario. Unfortunately for them, USC, GTech and Texas's fall has hurt them.

If they win out, their best win would be @Stanford which Iowa could match with the Big 10 title game.

What are ND's 2nd and 3rd best wins? Temple and a multiple loss USC team?

Most ranking systems still love USC, hell they're 7th in the Sagarin rankings even with three losses.

 

[Gunnerclone]

You think you've (Big 12) got it bad? David Pollack straight up said Iowa had one of the worst SOS in the Power 5, when that is blatantly false. Their SOS to date is 6th among the top 10, and their strength of record is 6th nationally (they were all over Alabama's #3 ranking in that category last night, but made zero mention of Iowa's #6 because that would go completely against the narrative they've constructed). It's not the first time they've done something like that.

TCU or Baylor, if they go undefeated, will absolutely get in. They're both well within striking distance already and have all of their big games left to play. They're either going to win their way in down the stretch, or they won't. They aren't getting jumped by anyone if they win out.

As has been repeated many times, are hok fans the only ones that can't see the remaining schedule?

I find it hard to believe that hok fan would be okay with being rated say #4 right now and then sliding down the chain even while winning because of the NAIA schedule they play.