Zeb Noland misses out on starting job at NDSU

[HopalongAtc]

If I remember correctly, both Moore & Noland tore their ACL early in camp their freshman year. No matter how the rehab goes, it takes quite awhile for the athlete to return to their original form. So both of those qb’s were behind the learning curve due to their injuries. Not saying either one of them was going to make it at this level, but it does take a toll on them.

Love what has transpired over the last couple of years and feel like things are only going to get better as the wins keep coming and we continue to develop players that are drafted and make it at the next level & are good men! Go Cyclones!!!

 

[LincolnWay187]

Noland only needed to beat out Trey Lance, whose 247 Composite was 3 star 0.8104.

With respect to NDSU, I think their fan base guided this decision to play Lance over Noland. Lance also probably fits the offense they have been running. But in any case, I think the new Head Coach is banking on not pissing off the fans by keeping the formula as faithful to the old system as possible. And the NDSU fans ARE quite convinced that their football team is BETTER than any football team outside of the very top tier of the SEC. And the Fargo team is pressing for the sports conquest of the biggest city they know by playing a game in Minneapolis (and while the Gophers are being torn up by the tug of war between their own Alumni and supporters, NDSU may be the most popular school with sporting events in Minneapolis). Anyhow, among the NDSU alumni that I knew, there was a very anti-Iowa and Iowa State bias (also very anti-Nebraska). So it may actually work in Zeb's advantage to be coming off the bench when the kid from Marshall Minnesota screws up. It was clear to me that those I knew who are NDSU supporters had their noses turned up in the air about Zeb being allowed to transfer to their team.

Credit to NDSU for being great a couple years and play to ewell but for their level but to compare themselves to iowa and isu .. laughable.

 

[Frak]

This is all wait and see for me. Based on our history, almost every QB in the modern era (save maybe Sage) has regressed in their time here. Maybe it's just perception because they came in with hype, but it seems like Meyer, Arnaud, Richardson, & Lanning were better as FR/SO than they were as SRs. And those are the only ones off the top of my head that lasted all 4 years. The rest regressed by default because they left.

I'm pretty confident Brock breaks the trend.

I won't disagree that almost every QB in that group regressed. Maybe not Arnaud because I thought he had a decent SR season, he just was in a different offense that didn't fit him as well. But the primary reason for the regression was poor OL play and a lack of a running game. Meyer and Richardson got the crap beat out of them. By the end of their careers, they were so gunshy that they were nervous in the pocket even when there wasn't any pressure. Even Seneca tailed off the last half of his SR year from being blitzed to death.

I don't think that the QB coaching was the greatest late in Mac's tenure through Chiz and Rhoads, but it's pretty tough to play that position with no running game to help out and poor protection. The ONLY way Purdy breaks the trend is if the OL improves from where it's been the past few years.

 

[Frak]

Noland only needed to beat out Trey Lance, whose 247 Composite was 3 star 0.8104.

With respect to NDSU, I think their fan base guided this decision to play Lance over Noland. Lance also probably fits the offense they have been running. But in any case, I think the new Head Coach is banking on not pissing off the fans by keeping the formula as faithful to the old system as possible. And the NDSU fans ARE quite convinced that their football team is BETTER than any football team outside of the very top tier of the SEC. And the Fargo team is pressing for the sports conquest of the biggest city they know by playing a game in Minneapolis (and while the Gophers are being torn up by the tug of war between their own Alumni and supporters, NDSU may be the most popular school with sporting events in Minneapolis). Anyhow, among the NDSU alumni that I knew, there was a very anti-Iowa and Iowa State bias (also very anti-Nebraska). So it may actually work in Zeb's advantage to be coming off the bench when the kid from Marshall Minnesota screws up. It was clear to me that those I knew who are NDSU supporters had their noses turned up in the air about Zeb being allowed to transfer to their team.

Interesting. NDSU fans are so strange. They sure seem to think that they are a blue blood, and you kind of get the sense that they think they can beat anyone outside of Bama/Clemson/UGA/tOSU. But, if they are running the same offense, I could see how the staff would want someone a little more mobile than Zeb. He probably should have went to a little lesser 1AA school down south somewhere. But I still have a feeling he'll get his shot at some point.

 

[VeloClone]

I won't disagree that almost every QB in that group regressed. Maybe not Arnaud because I thought he had a decent SR season, he just was in a different offense that didn't fit him as well. But the primary reason for the regression was poor OL play and a lack of a running game. Meyer and Richardson got the crap beat out of them. By the end of their careers, they were so gunshy that they were nervous in the pocket even when there wasn't any pressure. Even Seneca tailed off the last half of his SR year from being blitzed to death.

I don't think that the QB coaching was the greatest late in Mac's tenure through Chiz and Rhoads, but it's pretty tough to play that position with no running game to help out and poor protection. The ONLY way Purdy breaks the trend is if the OL improves from where it's been the past few years.

Exactly - pretty much ever QB eventually starts hearing footsteps when he is getting crushed play after play, game after game. Eventually they are broken and they hear footsteps in their sleep.

 

[SolarGarlic]

Going back through the last decade of ISU QBs? And this is testing my memory.
Sage - Hit
Seneca - HIT
Chris Love Jr (RIP) - Miss, I guess?
Waye Terry - Miss
Austin Flynn - Miss (as a QB)
Bret Myer - HIT (Thank goodness)
Austen Arnaud - Hit, I think. Not his fault he had so many coaches.
Phillip Bates - Miss
Jerome Tiller - Miss, except one game against Nebraska
Jared Barnett - Hit. I think. He was limited and never good enough for what Herman wanted.
Sam Richardson - Hit. Good enough to start for multiple years. I think coaching and the team overall held him back
Grant Rohach - Miss.
Steele Mother ******* Jantz - Hit. From what was expected from him, he did a lot.
Joel Lanning - Hit. Did everything he could for the team, including play LBer. Also had a game for the ages against TTU at QB.
Park - Hit then Miss.
Noland - Hit-ish
Moore - Miss, but was never expected to be a starter
Kempt - Hit
Purdy - Hit
Dean - TBD
Re-al Mitchell - TBD

Simply playing doesn't make them a hit.

Sage - Hit
Seneca - Hit
Chris Love Jr (RIP) - Miss
Waye Terry - Miss
Austin Flynn - Miss
Bret Meyer - Hit
Austen Arnaud - 50/50. Didn't live up to hype out of HS
Phillip Bates - Miss
Jerome Tiller - Miss
Jared Barnett - Miss
Sam Richardson - Miss
Grant Rohach - Miss.
Steele Mother ******* Jantz - Miss
Joel Lanning - Miss
Park - Miss.
Noland - Miss
Moore - Miss
Kempt - Hit
Purdy - Hit
Dean - TBD
Re-al Mitchell - TBD

 

[Cat Stevens]

Yes. He was moved because he lost his starting job. I never said he was a bust as a player, but he didn't progress as a QB as most of us hoped he would did he? Move turned out great for everyone, but doesn't make my post less accurate.

He did not fit in to what they wanted to do. If he would have played in something like k states offense, he’d have been fine.

 

[jdcyclone19]

Easton Dean is officially a TE now.

 

[Sigmapolis]

Simply playing doesn't make them a hit.

Sage - Hit
Seneca - Hit
Chris Love Jr (RIP) - Miss
Waye Terry - Miss
Austin Flynn - Miss
Bret Meyer - Hit
Austen Arnaud - 50/50. Didn't live up to hype out of HS
Phillip Bates - Miss
Jerome Tiller - Miss
Jared Barnett - Miss
Sam Richardson - Miss
Grant Rohach - Miss.
Steele Mother ******* Jantz - Miss
Joel Lanning - Miss
Park - Miss.
Noland - Miss
Moore - Miss
Kempt - Hit
Purdy - Hit
Dean - TBD
Re-al Mitchell - TBD

How DARE you blaspheme the Greek God of the gridiron and the keg stand.

Apologize immediately and grovel unless you want him to appear and smite you.

 

[IASTATE07]

Easton Dean is officially a TE now.

When did this get announced or who said it?

 

[jdcyclone19]

When did this get announced or who said it?

Check the online roster.

 

[jdcyclone19]

 

[CtownCyclone]

Joel Lanning - Miss

Wut.

 

[NickTheGreat]

I also think it's crazy to not consider Arnaud a hit. Especially compared to the next 10 QB's, he was rock-solid. But he was top 3 in nearly all ISU QB records. Surprisingly Sam Richardson shows up on those lists more than I'd expect.

Some of those later Rhoads teams would have won several more games if they'd had a guy like Austen.

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

I won't disagree that almost every QB in that group regressed. Maybe not Arnaud because I thought he had a decent SR season, he just was in a different offense that didn't fit him as well. But the primary reason for the regression was poor OL play and a lack of a running game. Meyer and Richardson got the crap beat out of them. By the end of their careers, they were so gunshy that they were nervous in the pocket even when there wasn't any pressure. Even Seneca tailed off the last half of his SR year from being blitzed to death.

I don't think that the QB coaching was the greatest late in Mac's tenure through Chiz and Rhoads, but it's pretty tough to play that position with no running game to help out and poor protection. The ONLY way Purdy breaks the trend is if the OL improves from where it's been the past few years.

Tough? Basically impossible.

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

Simply playing doesn't make them a hit.

Sage - Hit
Seneca - Hit
Chris Love Jr (RIP) - Miss
Waye Terry - Miss
Austin Flynn - Miss
Bret Meyer - Hit
Austen Arnaud - 50/50. Didn't live up to hype out of HS
Phillip Bates - Miss
Jerome Tiller - Miss
Jared Barnett - Miss
Sam Richardson - Miss
Grant Rohach - Miss.
Steele Mother ******* Jantz - Miss
Joel Lanning - Miss
Park - Miss.
Noland - Miss
Moore - Miss
Kempt - Hit
Purdy - Hit
Dean - TBD
Re-al Mitchell - TBD

I wouldn't call Sam a miss. That kid was put through the ringer, three different OC's is pathetic.

 

[cc1091]

Simply playing doesn't make them a hit.

Sage - Hit
Seneca - Hit
Chris Love Jr (RIP) - Miss
Waye Terry - Miss
...
....
Noland - Miss
Moore - Miss
Kempt - Hit
Purdy - Hit
Dean - TBD
Re-al Mitchell - TBD

1. I don't mean to speak poorly of the dead, but Chris Love was never expected to be a contender for the starting role, so I don't consider him a Miss.
2. Who the H was Waye Terry?? Glad you remember him, because I don't.
3. Austin Flynn - should never have been recruited as a QB, but we needed someone to fill the gap.
4. Brett Meyer and Austin Arnaud are often confused one for the other in my mind. Both about the same really.
5. Phillip Bates and Jerome Tiller... aren't these two the same guy as well?
6. Barnett - only a miss because he was not trusted to run the offense enough. We had a lot of very impressive wins when he was at QB. In the end, I think lack of investment from the coaches turned into lack of enthusiasm within Barnett during his final year here. Glad he transferred, too bad he got hurt with the redbirds.
7. Richardson, I won't defend him, but will acknowledge that there was plenty of change at OC during his time.
8. Rohach - made a good decision to transfer even if transferring didn't work out as well as it should have. Another QB who would have been better if the coaches weren't looking at another player to lead the team.
9. Jantz - always knew there was too much hype with Jantz. Having said that.. there were a few incredible plays/wins with him. He and Richardson seemed to be the kings of turning the ball over.
10. Lanning - Competent, but couldn't always make the passing reads quickly.
11. Park - Competent in all but how to care for his own mental stability.
12. Noland - Did we recruit this guy? Or did he just show up one day expecting to play?
13. Moore - A+ for enthusiasm for the start of the Campbell era!! Best of luck to him at USD.
14. Kempt - I'm not sure where I heard his name back when he was in High School, but I know I was disappointed that ISU did not recruit or land him. When I saw his name mentioned as a walk on at ISU after several years elsewhere, I thought... "Wow, he really didn't pan out like I thought he would. But I'm glad to have him here." I was surprised as anyone else about how he worked out here.
15. Purdy - I liked the tapes of his HS play better than what I saw for Re-al in HS. But I'm no coach, and you never know what will happen (see Kempt).
16. Dean - some say TE. I don't think the story is written yet.
17. You forgot the kid who left when Rhoads left... damn, so did I.

 

[cc1091]

Interesting. NDSU fans are so strange. They sure seem to think that they are a blue blood, and you kind of get the sense that they think they can beat anyone outside of Bama/Clemson/UGA/tOSU. But, if they are running the same offense, I could see how the staff would want someone a little more mobile than Zeb. He probably should have went to a little lesser 1AA school down south somewhere. But I still have a feeling he'll get his shot at some point.

I agree with all but your statement about 1AA schools. I think Zeb can compete quite well in that division. I agree that he probably isn't at the correct school for his offensive talents. I hope Trey Lance does get sidelined for some reason and Zeb gets his chance. Lance looked good in their opener though.

 

[Sigmapolis]

1. I don't mean to speak poorly of the dead, but Chris Love was never expected to be a contender for the starting role, so I don't consider him a Miss.
2. Who the H was Waye Terry?? Glad you remember him, because I don't.
3. Austin Flynn - should never have been recruited as a QB, but we needed someone to fill the gap.
4. Brett Meyer and Austin Arnaud are often confused one for the other in my mind. Both about the same really.
5. Phillip Bates and Jerome Tiller... aren't these two the same guy as well?
6. Barnett - only a miss because he was not trusted to run the offense enough. We had a lot of very impressive wins when he was at QB. In the end, I think lack of investment from the coaches turned into lack of enthusiasm within Barnett during his final year here. Glad he transferred, too bad he got hurt with the redbirds.
7. Richardson, I won't defend him, but will acknowledge that there was plenty of change at OC during his time.
8. Rohach - made a good decision to transfer even if transferring didn't work out as well as it should have. Another QB who would have been better if the coaches weren't looking at another player to lead the team.
9. Jantz - always knew there was too much hype with Jantz. Having said that.. there were a few incredible plays/wins with him. He and Richardson seemed to be the kings of turning the ball over.
10. Lanning - Competent, but couldn't always make the passing reads quickly.
11. Park - Competent in all but how to care for his own mental stability.
12. Noland - Did we recruit this guy? Or did he just show up one day expecting to play?
13. Moore - A+ for enthusiasm for the start of the Campbell era!! Best of luck to him at USD.
14. Kempt - I'm not sure where I heard his name back when he was in High School, but I know I was disappointed that ISU did not recruit or land him. When I saw his name mentioned as a walk on at ISU after several years elsewhere, I thought... "Wow, he really didn't pan out like I thought he would. But I'm glad to have him here." I was surprised as anyone else about how he worked out here.
15. Purdy - I liked the tapes of his HS play better than what I saw for Re-al in HS. But I'm no coach, and you never know what will happen (see Kempt).
16. Dean - some say TE. I don't think the story is written yet.
17. You forgot the kid who left when Rhoads left... damn, so did I.

Jantz was NOT overrated.

He never won a championship.

But he never lost a party.

Steele4ever

 

[amishclone]

Noland only needed to beat out Trey Lance, whose 247 Composite was 3 star 0.8104.

With respect to NDSU, I think their fan base guided this decision to play Lance over Noland. Lance also probably fits the offense they have been running. But in any case, I think the new Head Coach is banking on not pissing off the fans by keeping the formula as faithful to the old system as possible. And the NDSU fans ARE quite convinced that their football team is BETTER than any football team outside of the very top tier of the SEC. And the Fargo team is pressing for the sports conquest of the biggest city they know by playing a game in Minneapolis (and while the Gophers are being torn up by the tug of war between their own Alumni and supporters, NDSU may be the most popular school with sporting events in Minneapolis). Anyhow, among the NDSU alumni that I knew, there was a very anti-Iowa and Iowa State bias (also very anti-Nebraska). So it may actually work in Zeb's advantage to be coming off the bench when the kid from Marshall Minnesota screws up. It was clear to me that those I knew who are NDSU supporters had their noses turned up in the air about Zeb being allowed to transfer to their team.

Whar @lakesbison