What do we think of CSP . . .

Discussion in 'Mens Basketball' started by CyValley, Feb 16, 2017.

  1. CyValley

    CyValley Well-Known Member

    Feb 29, 2008
    and the job he's doing at this point? I ask because I'm not a deeply knowledgeable basketball guy and would like to know what those who live-and-die mbb have to say. My question came along after reading this from Brent Blum:

    "Iowa State has won road games at Oklahoma State, at Oklahoma, at Kansas, and at Kansas State in the same season for the first time ever. . . .

    "Iowa State has won more than four Big 12 road games in a single season just one time: the mythical Fizer/Tinsley led team in 2000. That squad won six Big 12 road games.

    "Fred Hoiberg’s squads won four conference road games in 2012 and 2015.

    "Tim Floyd developed a reputation for winning tough road games with his rag-tag group of Cyclones. He won four Big 12 road games respectively in 1996 and 1997, but never won at the Phog or at Oklahoma State.

    "The iconic Johnny Orr never won more than two Big Eight road games.

    " . . . despite playing in the nation’s toughest league where every squad is ranked in the top 80 of Ken Pomeroy’s power index, Iowa State has found a way to win four games away from Hilton."

    Have we got our man, or is the jury still out?
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  2. srjclone

    srjclone Well-Known Member

    Nov 17, 2014
    oh no
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  3. Rabbuk

    Rabbuk Well-Known Member

    Mar 1, 2011
    You did it wrong. Title should be, "Coach Steve Prohm..."
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  4. jkclone

    jkclone Well-Known Member

    Jan 21, 2013
    Student & Iowa State Fan
    Jury is definitely still out, but my opinion is improving. I still think he is slow to adjust and not very good with what we have had. I do get the feeling he will be much better with more of his own guys.
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  5. Stormin

    Stormin Well-Known Member

    Apr 11, 2006
    IMO Prohm has done a decent job. Times I have been disappointed and times I have been impressed. Like the fact that he is giving Young a shot. He definitely makes us better in our weakest position. It would be absolutely insane to fire Prohm.
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  6. harimad

    harimad Well-Known Member

    Jul 28, 2016
    IT Systems Architect
    I like CSP. But I wish I had the "dis gun b gud" gif ready, because it will become appropriate very quickly in this thread.
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  7. CyTwins

    CyTwins Well-Known Member

    Jan 20, 2010
    I'm bought in with him. Landing Wigginton and Lewis is all I needed to see. If he's got good players he can win. The fact he's got this roster playing like this on the road is impressive IMO
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  8. CyValley

    CyValley Well-Known Member

    Feb 29, 2008
    I mean it as a serious question. Although it might end up stirring the pot (not my intention), I just want to know if there is a consensus of thinking since I don't know much about the game.
  9. allfourcy

    allfourcy Well-Known Member

    Apr 26, 2012
    Why now with this question... again? Can't we just enjoy the games? Glad he isn't in Mark Godfried shoes. Seriously, though, I think Prohm definitely has some strengths and continues to learn on the job, too. I'm sure OB plays are still being criticized. But he'll forget more about basketball than I'll ever know. BEAT TCU!!!
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  10. istater7

    istater7 Well-Known Member

    Mar 31, 2010
    He's doing about as good of a job you could do in replacing a legend with a depleted front court. Jury is still out to see how the rebuilding/reloading process goes. I think he's doing things the "right way" (i.e. Player relations, building towards March, defensive mindset) but can he get the players here and will his system work? Time will tell.
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  11. pulse

    pulse Well-Known Member

    Mar 24, 2006
    There is no consensus thinking. This is CF.
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  12. Cyched

    Cyched Well-Known Member

    May 8, 2009
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  13. StratCY

    StratCY Active Member

    Apr 22, 2011
    Circuit Designer, IBM
    Austin, TX
    To be honest, in a small way he reminds me of Hoiberg. The last two years we seem to playing our best ball towards the end of the season, a classic Hoiberg trait. Consider me a Prohm fan. He just seems like a player's coach, doesn't let his emotions get too high or too low on the sideline, plus it would appear he's a better recruiter (jury is still out, but consider me impressed up to now). He doesn't have the Hoiberg ability to get a bucket out of a timeout, but he also doesn't have Georges anymore. I think he will only get better.

    I wouldn't even blame a few of our losses on Prohm, he's not the one who has to make the shots, he just has to coach players to get into good position for a good look, and I think he's doing well there.
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  14. erikbj

    erikbj Well-Known Member

    Aug 31, 2006
    compliance officer
    hiawatha, ia
    It's frustrating from my couch - because i feel that i would make all the right decisions :)

    He is following Freddy, so it was going to be impossible to win fans over unless he went undefeated and was working on back to back National Championships

    It will be interesting to see how next season goes when the roster is officially his.
  15. Cyclonepride

    Cyclonepride Thought Police
    Staff Member

    I really like him, and have great respect for his personality. I also happen to think he's a very good coach.

    When people critique him about last year, it's now forgotten that we lost Naz 8 games in (and he wasn't the same Naz for most of those first eight) and that was a huge thing to deal with. With that said, a Sweet Sixteen last year is not an accomplishment to be overlooked, particularly when we had the McKay problem too for a portion of the Big 12 season. In the end, they ran into a very, very solid Virginia team who happened to be hot that day.

    This year, he's been missing some pieces inside (and yes, it is the job of the head coach to collect the right combination of pieces), but he's had the calm and resolve to hold to his course, and trusts his systems and decisions to get them in the right place for the stretch run. It looks like he's 2 for 2 in that regard.

    Add to that a stellar recruiting class (that's not finished), and I think Iowa State made a great hire with Coach Prohm.
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  16. rochclone

    rochclone Well-Known Member

    Jan 28, 2009
    This team is playing very well and as a fanbase we need to just enjoy the ride. Recruiting is solid for next year. I still have some questions about in-game coaching but honestly we need to see how the next 7 games turn out. We get to 10-8, win a game in the Big 12 and win a game in the tournament then I think the expectations have been met for this squad. If we finish 12-6 then I really think we have exceeded expectations no matter what happens in the Big 12 tournament or the NCAA tournament. 12-6 would be a hell of a body of work in this conference.
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  17. BoxsterCy

    BoxsterCy Well-Known Member

    Sep 14, 2009
    Living the Dream
    @CyValley channeling his inner Roy Scheider


    Dude's gonna need a bigger thread.
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  18. ThatllDoCy

    ThatllDoCy Well-Known Member

    Sep 20, 2009
    Chicago, IL
    I think that Steve is a good Coach at this point, and his greatest strength being the ability to relate and develop players. Look at Deonte, last night he was like a totally different player, consistent and in control. Young is obviously developing. Monte looked like a scorer, not DRose at Memphis, but better than the beginning of the year.

    This team is guard heavy, small, but experienced. Considering the holes that Hoiberg left in Recruiting, and the HUGE miss on Malou, that is not Steve's fault, the record is remarkable. The early loss to Gonzaga would have been a win with the current Deonte and Young.

    You have to make the determination at the end of the year, but this year is a good sign.

    The biggest upside to Steve is that he is a young guy, that seems to like ISU, and loves to develop young players. I am all in on him, and the only way we would have had an upgrade is to go for a big name that would have cost double.

    He is in the Big 12 with Bill Self, Jamie Dixon, Lon Kruger, etc. and has more than held his own. Judging a Coach by the standard that you agree with everything he does is a waste of time, because that won't happen. Big fan of CFH, but his recruiting was bad, and IMO that is this program's biggest opportunity. I think Prohm is going to make a big impact. Look at Wiggington, that kid is an absolute stud.
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  19. BoxsterCy

    BoxsterCy Well-Known Member

    Sep 14, 2009
    Living the Dream
    got your back on the gif. :)

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  20. CyBobby

    CyBobby Well-Known Member

    Oct 18, 2006
    Central Iowa
    With Coach Prohm sweeping the states of Kansas and Oklahoma...well....I think right now that CSP is doing a GREAT JOB.....

    Go Cyclones Bury the Horn Froggies

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