You're arguing the difference between a 1 & 2 seed? I'd say there's always going to be discussions there. It's not like team A was a 1 seed and team B a 5 seed that would really have been something.
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You're arguing the difference between a 1 & 2 seed? I'd say there's always going to be discussions there. It's not like team A was a 1 seed and team B a 5 seed that would really have been something.
Gonzaga is a "brand" name anymore in college hoops. If you took their schedule and results from 2013 or even so far this year and slapped the name Iona or New Mexico State or Wofford on them... would they have ever been in the discussion for a #1 seed? Not a chance. They would have been lucky to get maybe a #5 or 6 seed.
Example... Murray State going into the 2012 NCAA Tournament was 30-1, #23 in the RPI, was 2-0 against the RPI top 25, was 3-0 against the RPI top 50, was 179th in SOS and they got a #6 seed.
They beat a mediocre Colorado State team in the 1st round and then got bounced by Marquette in the 2nd round.
Agree with this. If you look at Gongaga's past NCAA tournament history; they typically get a #1 or #2 seed. They win their first game but almost always lose their second game.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/tournament/history?team1Id=6058
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It definitely works the other way too. It's a reliable trend. 1-3 seeds from mid-major conferences do not play to seed at the same rate major conference 1-3 seeds do. If a major conference team gets a 1-4 seed they are likely to go farther than a major conference 7-10 seed. With the mid-majors for a number of factors the mid and lower seeds do just as good if not better than the times one of them nabs a great seed.
Yeah because power conference teams with a good seed never lose early. (ISU 2001, Kansas 2010, lots of others) It's all about matchups. Regardless how the year ended, Wichita State was a better team last year than when they went to the final 4. The difference was meeting Kentucky in the 2nd round last year. They lost to Kentucky by 2 points and Kentucky made it to the final.
Think you have this all backwards. Minny and Iowa are "weak majors", Creighton and Marquette would be the "high majors" at this point in time.
Matrix still has ISU as a mid 3 and UNI a low 5. http://bracketmatrix.com/
Also, Lunardi ranks in the bottom half of bracketolgists... http://www.bracketmatrix.com/rankings.html
I never think of UConn, Nova, Cincy, Georgetown and Memphis as mid majors the same way I do the MVC and MWC teams.
The Big East is actually ranking out as the #2 conference right now on Sagarin top to bottom behind only the Big 12. Maybe not entirely accurate but that doesn't happen if Big East basketball isn't legit. In contrast the Valley isn't even in front of the MAC because of lack of depth.
The "power 5" moniker doesn't work as well in basketball because of the Big East and top of the American.
Yes... a 10 loss Kentucky team that wasn't playing great basketball all season long beat an undefeated Wichita State team. A Kentucky team that was coming off of a 12 loss season the previous year which ended with a loss to Robert Morris in the NIT. That Kentucky team had talent but they just never seemed to click... it could have had something to do with starting 5 freshman. They nearly lost to Cleveland State at Rupp, they lost to Baylor (a team ISU beat 2 out of 3 games last year), they lost to UNC (a team that ISU beat), they lost twice to an unranked Arkansas squad, they lost to an unranked LSU squad and were taken to OT the second time they played them, they lost to an unranked South Carolina squad, and they lost all 3 games to Florida by a combined 30 points. It wasn't exactly your typical Coach Cal Kentucky team.
They have a message board now? Damn... UNI is really growing up. First they got a new 2,500 seat gym to play their basketball games in so they could quit playing in the dome and now a message board too... UNI is really going places.
