OR Dabo Swinney is full of Hot Air. It's a process. It is going to happen. Patience.
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OR Dabo Swinney is full of Hot Air. It's a process. It is going to happen. Patience.
To expand on the Dabo Tigers are committed ACC to the talk...
He calls a move of Clemson to the BIG 12 would be the worst thing to do for Tiger football. But then again he'll coach where ever his bosses tell him to.
Swinney says he thinks move to Big 12 won't happen, isn't beneficial for Clemson - Clemson Football News - TigerNet.com
Ha, well good luck on getting additional money into that next contract extension...
He calls a move of Clemson to the BIG 12 would be the worst thing to do for Tiger football. But then again he'll coach where ever his bosses tell him to.
Swinney says he thinks move to Big 12 won't happen, isn't beneficial for Clemson - Clemson Football News - TigerNet.com
Ha, well good luck on getting additional money into that next contract extension...
CycloneErik
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Good to see that Dabo got the traditional blaming of the Internet in there.
Isn't that always the hint that rumors are real? Coaches blaming the Internet are acknowledging that there's a fire more often than not.
Isn't that always the hint that rumors are real? Coaches blaming the Internet are acknowledging that there's a fire more often than not.
The SEC is exacerbating the 14-team nightmare by retaining their 8 game conference schedule model. It's BS when nearly half of your conference opponents will play at your venue only once every 12 years.
Something happened. Sounds like Clemson is out...from Swaim
"@JuiceIsLoose389: @GSwaim So Clemson is out?" // It would appear so, from both sides."
"@OUnation: @GSwaim do you think the Big12 still expands? If so with who?" // they'll have to for a title game. #FSU and ???
"@JuiceIsLoose389: @GSwaim So Clemson is out?" // It would appear so, from both sides."
"@OUnation: @GSwaim do you think the Big12 still expands? If so with who?" // they'll have to for a title game. #FSU and ???
CycloneErik
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If we hold for ND I'll be very disappointed. Not the addition I'd like. Bunch of ego maniacal *****. We have TX already, that's enough. So what....FSU and L'ville? (Big ?) Better not be BYU either. Crap on that!
Very true. I dont know why he still gets any notice after how much crap he's flung at the wall the last couple years.
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There is quite a bit of ND to Big 12 smoke lately...I'm not sure what causes all of these rumors to bloom.
Just a thought...
No doubt money is a big motivator for conference realignment. However, in the case of the Big 12, there was more than money that led to the departure of NU, CU, MU, TAMU. Politics, pettiness, and contempt (on the part of those who left as well as on the part of some who stayed) played a large part as well, particularly in the departure of TAMU, MU, and NU. TAMU and MU were looking at a nice money upgrade and stability in the Big 12 had they stayed, but left anyway.
In the case of Syracuse and Pitt, they are looking at a huge money upgrade by going to the ACC, and a more stable league.
Now, we come to FSU and Clemson. They would get a money upgrade by coming to the Big 12, although not nearly as big as what Syracuse and Pitt are looking at. But is there that other element of politics/pettiness/contempt between FSU/Clemson and the other ACC members to drive the deal? I don't know the ACC that well, but there doesn't seem to be the open contempt like there was between UT and NU, TAMU and UT, MU and kind of everybody.
In the Big 12 deal, there were constantly shots/barbs flying back and forth between sides. With FSU, there were some initial tough comments, but nothing much since. As far as Clemson, really nothing coming from there, except the FB coach being vocal about wanting to stay in the ACC. To me, the FSU/Clemson to Big 12 thing doesn't have the feeling of immanence that the Big 12 changes did. It just doesn't seem to have that pettiness and contempt driving it that the Big 12 changes did.
No doubt money is a big motivator for conference realignment. However, in the case of the Big 12, there was more than money that led to the departure of NU, CU, MU, TAMU. Politics, pettiness, and contempt (on the part of those who left as well as on the part of some who stayed) played a large part as well, particularly in the departure of TAMU, MU, and NU. TAMU and MU were looking at a nice money upgrade and stability in the Big 12 had they stayed, but left anyway.
In the case of Syracuse and Pitt, they are looking at a huge money upgrade by going to the ACC, and a more stable league.
Now, we come to FSU and Clemson. They would get a money upgrade by coming to the Big 12, although not nearly as big as what Syracuse and Pitt are looking at. But is there that other element of politics/pettiness/contempt between FSU/Clemson and the other ACC members to drive the deal? I don't know the ACC that well, but there doesn't seem to be the open contempt like there was between UT and NU, TAMU and UT, MU and kind of everybody.
In the Big 12 deal, there were constantly shots/barbs flying back and forth between sides. With FSU, there were some initial tough comments, but nothing much since. As far as Clemson, really nothing coming from there, except the FB coach being vocal about wanting to stay in the ACC. To me, the FSU/Clemson to Big 12 thing doesn't have the feeling of immanence that the Big 12 changes did. It just doesn't seem to have that pettiness and contempt driving it that the Big 12 changes did.
The more I learn about the potential playoff system the more I believe we would be better situated at 10. It sounds like the money is going to be huge. Everyone is going to get paid millions of dollars more than they ever have before. At some point the extra money is subject to the law of diminishing returns etc. Games are still won on the field. I actually think a four team playoff may reduce the probabilty of expansion as our conference will likely always have a participant. ten means fewer mouths to feed etc.
Perhaps this is why Jamie Pollard and Chuck Neinas were so adamant in wanting to stay at 10?
Long story short, the contempt in the ACC is between the power football schools and the power basketball schools. FSU and others believe that all the decisions are made on Tobacco Road, and no one cares about their opinion and they have mentioned that a few times this summer.
I agree jb but I think the story of realignment has evolved beyond acrimony between programs / conferences.
It seems to me that the Pac has aligned w/ the B1G and the SEC has aligned w/ the Big XII to the point that ACC football schools would be wise to consider the move simply out of survival. It's not hysteria anymore; football programs want to be in the best position for the impending playoff. The ACC doesn't seem to be engaging in this the way the "big four" have. And let's be honest it's ALWAYS about money.
Staying at 10 would be a realistic option, the state of Texas really flexed its muscle when it comes to the football landscape, the big 12 is reaping the benefits and isn't in any dire need to expand.
But if Florida State or Notre Dame knock on your door, you don't ignore them. Gawd it's nice to be in a position of "wait & see."
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