*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****
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There are strong forces on both sides of wanting conference champs only vs. top 4 teams in a BCS type ranking.
It's not looking great for the ACC either way being the clear 5th wheel. With champs only they'd have to hope in the years they have a decent champ that there's an upset in one of the 4 better conferences.
If it's top 4 BCS ranking only, I already pointed out they'd only get in once a decade using the last ten years of results as a guide.
I'm only saying this because there's more to long term ACC success than if this TV deal is great or just average. If they end up as an afterthought in the new 4 team playoff it won't matter how much today's contract is worth because they'll fade into obscurity. Their hope is to keep the football schools they have, hope the results on the field improve, and that it doesn't become an issue of 4 conferences feeding 4 spots.
FSU already has long trips to Pitt, Syracuse, and Boston College. I'm not sure it would be that much different for them. BC and Cuse are actually in their division and two of the furthest trips possible. Maryland in their division is not close either.
They're not really an ideal geographic fit for anywhere but the SEC. If they brought Clemson (and GT or Miami) with them it would probably be a wash if divisions can be mostly geographic.
Clemson seems like they'd travel quite a bit more in the Big 12 though and the new ACC teams aren't as far from them, but they're the team stirring the rumor mill the most so who knows.
Yep. At this point i believe that discussions at very least have taken place. If nothing ends up coming from it its because FSU\Clemson decided against the option, but i think its definitely a real prospect.
If this ACC extension includes existing ACC schools signing a grant of rights for the duration of the extension, FSU and Clemson aren't coming to the B12.
ACC gets $17 million for tier 1, 2, and 3. B12 gets $20 million or tier 1 & 2. Thought I saw somewhere that ISU gets $2-3 million for our tier 3.
So I don't see this killing any FSU to the B12 talk.
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Value to whom?
Does ACC B-Ball have value to Clemson and FSU? I don't think it does too much.
Clemson and FSU know their bread is buttered by Football and they know they are falling behind the other big conferences in the TV deal arms race. FSU is having financial trouble and really needs an influx of TV money to keep up with SEC teams that constantly compete for the same recruits.
I think ACC B-Ball actually hurts the ACC with Clemson and FSU. Those schools know that the ACC will continue to be a B-Ball first conference for the most part. Clemson and FSU may feel they are better served in a conference that is pushing football more than b-ball. You have to think the VaTech has the same feelings.
One of the sites linked a few pages ago had the distances of FSU to each school in B12 vs. ACC. No significant differences. Then he listed stadium capacities, Sagarin ratings, and athletic budgets for each school. The B12 was favorable overall in most cases.
Clemson fans are starting to sound A LOT like A&M fans did when they got the rabid dog salivation of changing conferences no matter what.
Just about any ESPN story on realignment will have people with "tigers" in their names posting things like "CLEMSON TO BIG 12 in 2013! BANK ON IT!" Their own boards seem to be wildly pro-Big 12 as well.
Haven't noticed it as much from FSU, I think FSU feels like they have more to lose being a clear marquee football program in their current conference. FSU would probably stay tight lipped until it's a done deal and a done deal that dwarfs whatever they'd have in the ACC.
Unless you are driving a Pacer, in which case it is probably just burning a little oil.
Goodness, that West Virginia Scout page is like a Soap Opera. It's very entertaining, but you have no idea if any of the "sources" actually know anything or whether they're Greg Swaim and Bleacher Report wanna-be's.
I agree. But for someone like me who is addicted to realignment, it is a good time. Kinda like letting a alcoholic loose in the Coors Brewery.
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