If #1 is true that's kind of a **** move on Nova's part considering the Big East has offered them that opportunity in the past and they haven't taken it.
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If #1 is true that's kind of a **** move on Nova's part considering the Big East has offered them that opportunity in the past and they haven't taken it.
Anyone tried looking at the Texas to Big 10 threads on the Northwestern Rivals site lately? They have been completely taken down, supposedly lawyers from the Big 10 threatened with legal action. Interesting.
I wonder if some of that information was contractually bound to not be repeated?
So I haven't heard much coming from Northwestern for a while. The last thing I had seen was a 4 team expansion with UT, ND, ISU, and Mizzou. Was that still the prevailing theory before the threads disappeared?
Stable expanded Big 12 or not, if there was a possibility of getting that deal done, we would be insane not to take it.
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RT @GSwaim: #Mizzou has #SEC offer, but Slive just going through the necessary steps to avoid lawsuits, etc. "It will happen soon", I'm told
RT @GSwaim: #Mizzou has #SEC offer, but Slive just going through the necessary steps to avoid lawsuits, etc. "It will happen soon", I'm told
Great, another one of these "done deal" twitter posts. Seems like we had about 10k of these things before aTm actually got the deal done. It also seems like we didn't have any of these for Pitt, Cuse, or TCU. Those deals seemed like they were already done before anything came out about it.
With aTm they were openly shouting their intentions to leave the entire time. Mizzou hasn't said anything like that. If they really wanted to leave, I think something would have happened already. I don't think Mizzou is going anywhere.
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He's one of their kings.
I think that he and Chip Brown have a race to see who can make 1000 distinct predictions first. Maybe along with that tramel guy and a couple more.
Yep. I think about 80% of middle school kids have more credibility than Greg Swaim. He tries to stir the pot more than anybody just to get some attention coming his way.
I know some people like to bash Chip Brown and Berry Tramel, but at least they have some real connections.
As long as you're aware that Chip Brown and Berry Tramel have a strong bias, and you interpret what they say through that lens I think their stuff is pretty good.
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That's a good point. I think part of the problem with the rampant tweets has been a general inability to recognize their biases or to understand when they're just throwing things at the wall.
Mizzou better think again if they believe there is $12 million/yr more in the SEC than Big 12. After the Big 12 renegotiates the Tier 1 deal, its entirely possible the Big 12 will make more than the SEC.
The value of the SEC has yet to be determined Tiger Extra - Mizzou Sports | ColumbiaTribune.com
Neal Pilson, the former president of CBS Sports, is a consultant who helped negotiate recent multibillion dollar deals for NASCAR and the Olympics. He said the fact that the SEC is just two years into a 15-year contract with its TV partners means it has little leverage.
“I think the networks will want to have a very narrow discussion of how much incremental value is brought to the TV package from Texas A&M and Missouri, and I think that’s all they’re going to want to talk about,†Pilson said in a phone interview. “I think CBS and ESPN feel they made a fair deal with the SEC and that adding two schools might modestly change the value, but I don’t think they would be looking to completely renegotiate the deal.
“I’m not about to put a dollar figure against it, but that would be how I think the networks would approach it. Obviously, I don’t know how the SEC would approach it.â€
The SEC could argue that the value of TV contracts has skyrocketed, even in the two years since its current deal was signed. Last spring, the Pac-12 signed a 12-year deal worth about $250 million annually — quadrupling its previous contract.
“If the conference is looking to reopen the negotiation based on the success of the†Pac-12, “then the parties could be in for a long and difficult discussion,†Pilson said.
At the request of the Tribune, A.J. Maestas, the president of Navigate, a Chicago-based firm that analyzes sponsorships and multimedia rights in sports and entertainment, had his company estimate the value of the TV contract for a 14-school SEC including Texas A&M and Missouri. Navigate’s projection was $21 million to $23 million per school annually.
That would a healthy increase from SEC’s current per-school payout of about $18 million but well below the upper end of MU’s estimation.
“With the SEC, it’s a little like trying to put the genie back in the bottle — it’s not easy to do,†the consultant said. “They’ve sold CBS and ESPN on a 15-year structure. It would be awfully difficult to now say, ‘Oh, we want to do our own network.’ I think that’s going to be a tough putt. Not impossible, but it’s a lot harder to do it that way than to construct it up front. So I suspect that’s something they would like, but that doesn’t necessarily line up in the best interest of CBS and ESPN.
“They’ll never be able to do what the Pac-12 did, which is retain 100 percent control over it. If it were to happen, it would look more like the Longhorn Network, which is 100 percent owned by ESPN. It would have to be something that is owned and very likely operated by one of those media partners. ESPN and CBS are certainly not going to pay these guys $200 million dollars a year and let them take back rights and go start a network to compete against them. That’s not going to happen.â€
“Because they signed a pretty comprehensive deal and decided not to launch their own network last time, they didn’t leave themselves the kind of inventory you need to really do a network successfully,†Maestas said.
The value of the SEC has yet to be determined Tiger Extra - Mizzou Sports | ColumbiaTribune.com
Neal Pilson, the former president of CBS Sports, is a consultant who helped negotiate recent multibillion dollar deals for NASCAR and the Olympics. He said the fact that the SEC is just two years into a 15-year contract with its TV partners means it has little leverage.
“I think the networks will want to have a very narrow discussion of how much incremental value is brought to the TV package from Texas A&M and Missouri, and I think that’s all they’re going to want to talk about,†Pilson said in a phone interview. “I think CBS and ESPN feel they made a fair deal with the SEC and that adding two schools might modestly change the value, but I don’t think they would be looking to completely renegotiate the deal.
“I’m not about to put a dollar figure against it, but that would be how I think the networks would approach it. Obviously, I don’t know how the SEC would approach it.â€
The SEC could argue that the value of TV contracts has skyrocketed, even in the two years since its current deal was signed. Last spring, the Pac-12 signed a 12-year deal worth about $250 million annually — quadrupling its previous contract.
“If the conference is looking to reopen the negotiation based on the success of the†Pac-12, “then the parties could be in for a long and difficult discussion,†Pilson said.
At the request of the Tribune, A.J. Maestas, the president of Navigate, a Chicago-based firm that analyzes sponsorships and multimedia rights in sports and entertainment, had his company estimate the value of the TV contract for a 14-school SEC including Texas A&M and Missouri. Navigate’s projection was $21 million to $23 million per school annually.
That would a healthy increase from SEC’s current per-school payout of about $18 million but well below the upper end of MU’s estimation.
“With the SEC, it’s a little like trying to put the genie back in the bottle — it’s not easy to do,†the consultant said. “They’ve sold CBS and ESPN on a 15-year structure. It would be awfully difficult to now say, ‘Oh, we want to do our own network.’ I think that’s going to be a tough putt. Not impossible, but it’s a lot harder to do it that way than to construct it up front. So I suspect that’s something they would like, but that doesn’t necessarily line up in the best interest of CBS and ESPN.
“They’ll never be able to do what the Pac-12 did, which is retain 100 percent control over it. If it were to happen, it would look more like the Longhorn Network, which is 100 percent owned by ESPN. It would have to be something that is owned and very likely operated by one of those media partners. ESPN and CBS are certainly not going to pay these guys $200 million dollars a year and let them take back rights and go start a network to compete against them. That’s not going to happen.â€
“Because they signed a pretty comprehensive deal and decided not to launch their own network last time, they didn’t leave themselves the kind of inventory you need to really do a network successfully,†Maestas said.
Big 12 needs to go after Louisville and West Virginia for all sports and add Notre Dame for all non-football sports. Notre Dame to the Big 12 would be huge for stability even if it doesn't include football.
First off I may be biased because ND is my second college team. I would love Iowa State and Notre Dame to play regularly. I was mad when Northwestern beat ND in that Chicago tournament a couple of years ago because we would have played them (and we somehow lost to Northwestern in the finals). Well anyways Notre Dame is just like BYU, they have a huge national following because it is a religious school except Notre Dame is on a much bigger level than BYU. This will help rebuild the stability of the conference and who knows, maybe some day down the line when the football landscape changes again they will add football (not holding my breath).
Even if it makes no sense and people shouldn't care about ND, they still do so they are valuable.
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