*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****

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I still can't believe that BYU didn't jump at the chance to join the B12. I also hope the B12 doesn't sit around too long....the SEC will need another team and the Big East and ACC are trying to lock up membership just like the B12. Wait too long and there won't be as many (good) options.
 
I still can't believe that BYU didn't jump at the chance to join the B12. I also hope the B12 doesn't sit around too long....the SEC will need another team and the Big East and ACC are trying to lock up membership just like the B12. Wait too long and there won't be as many (good) options.

I still wonder if the Big 12 can pull rabbit out of the hat and some how lure Pitt away from the ACC. Would a network that does not include Texas get them? I really think Pitt is/was the prize of the Big East.
 
I still wonder if the Big 12 can pull rabbit out of the hat and some how lure Pitt away from the ACC. Would a network that does not include Texas get them? I really think Pitt is/was the prize of the Big East.

We're not getting Pitt. Why would you think that?
 
I still wonder if the Big 12 can pull rabbit out of the hat and some how lure Pitt away from the ACC. Would a network that does not include Texas get them? I really think Pitt is/was the prize of the Big East.

There's no chance at that ever happening. Just by judging how many displaced Pittsburgh people there are here on tobacco road, I don't think they will be looking for a new conference any direction but east (not Big East). Do you think there are that many Pennsylania/Pittsburgh natives/Pitt alum living in Big 12 country? I don't. The ACC is the perfect fit for them.

On a similar note, it is really annoying that Steelers fans outnumber Panther fans here in Raleigh. I think every sports bar is an official "meet-up" location for Steelers games. Apparently everybody loves Pittsburgh, but knows there's not chance of getting a job there so they move to the Carolinas.
 
Let me throw out this hypothetical:

Mizzou stays and West Virginia/Louisville joins as #11 in the B12.

Would you rather have #12 be the other one of WV/Louisville, or would you take #12 as BYU as a football only member with Notre Dame fielding everyone but football?

I would take Tulane before either BYU or Notre Dame as partial members.
 
I would take Tulane before either BYU or Notre Dame as partial members.

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Really good article here:

Big 12 giving Mizzou time to make decision

I'm starting to think SEC might wait a year and go straight to 16. Question is who else would they snag besides Mizzou? Possibly WVU and then who?

I think Louisville is B12 bound either way. They will be number 10 after Mizzou leaves. Who is left for the two more though? BYU looks like a problem child. Cincinnati makes me say ehhh. WVU may go SEC with Mizzou. Who can we get for two more???
 
WVU abstaining from voting today on the Big East call. Louisville supposedly doing the same.

Scout.com: WVU to abstain from voting today...

I don't really understand how a school abstaining from voting can eliminate them from being bound to a vote that passes. Just like if the Big 12 voted to increase the exit fee to $300 million if you choose to leave in the next two years, and the vote was 8-0 or 9-0 with one school abstaining, how would Missouri not be bound to that vote as long as they were a member of the conference?
 
I don't really understand how a school abstaining from voting can eliminate them from being bound to a vote that passes. Just like if the Big 12 voted to increase the exit fee to $300 million if you choose to leave in the next two years, and the vote was 8-0 or 9-0 with one school abstaining, how would Missouri not be bound to that vote as long as they were a member of the conference?

I didn't read the article. But generally when a school abstains it isn't because it prevents them from being bound by a passed vote. The reason is to safeguard themselves legally for not acting in good faith since they would have interests that don't align with the good of the conference. They would still be bound to the vote that passed, but they couldn't get sued.

That is assuming there doesn't have to be something that happens afterward to ratify the vote like all the schools getting permission from their governing bodies to sign the agreement before it goes into effect or something like that.
 
New York Post Report Today...Says that invites will be issues after the increased exit fee vote is done. If Louisville and WV abstain, does that mean the exit fees will take effect?
And I have to feel bad for East Carolina too. They're a school on the East coast who is being passed over for schools in Florida, Texas, Colorado, and Idaho who all average a significant amount of attendance less than they do.

Big East plans to invite six - NYPOST.com

After what was described as two days of acrimonious conference calls in which the Big East's non-FBS members seriously considered the option of splitting from their football brethren, all the schools are on the same chapter, if not the same page, sources said.
The first order of business is for the Big East to agree to raise the exit fee from $5 million to $10 million for the FBS members. The exit fee for non-FBS members, such as St. John's and Seton Hall, would remain at $5 million. There could, however, be some shortening of the 27-month exit window, the source said.
Once the exit fee is increased, which would send a message of commitment and solidarity, the league will invite Air Force, Navy and Boise State, followed by Central Florida, possibly as soon as this weekend. The last two spots, as the league seeks to get to 12 FBS members, is up for grabs among three programs -- Houston, SMU and Temple.
Sources told The Post that Villanova expressed strong objection to sharing the Philadelphia market with Temple. Philadelphia, however, is home to Comcast, which logically favors more Philadelphia-based institutions. It's possible the Owls could receive a football-only invitation.
If the Temple issue can't be resolved, the league will move on Houston and SMU. Some factions in the conference don't favor inviting both Texas schools, although with Boise State and Air Force aboard, it would make sense to have other programs west of the Mississippi.
 
New York Post Report Today...Says that invites will be issues after the increased exit fee vote is done. If Louisville and WV abstain, does that mean the exit fees will take effect?
And I have to feel bad for East Carolina too. They're a school on the East coast who is being passed over for schools in Florida, Texas, Colorado, and Idaho who all average a significant amount of attendance less than they do.

Big East plans to invite six - NYPOST.com

After what was described as two days of acrimonious conference calls in which the Big East's non-FBS members seriously considered the option of splitting from their football brethren, all the schools are on the same chapter, if not the same page, sources said.
The first order of business is for the Big East to agree to raise the exit fee from $5 million to $10 million for the FBS members. The exit fee for non-FBS members, such as St. John's and Seton Hall, would remain at $5 million. There could, however, be some shortening of the 27-month exit window, the source said.
Once the exit fee is increased, which would send a message of commitment and solidarity, the league will invite Air Force, Navy and Boise State, followed by Central Florida, possibly as soon as this weekend. The last two spots, as the league seeks to get to 12 FBS members, is up for grabs among three programs -- Houston, SMU and Temple.
Sources told The Post that Villanova expressed strong objection to sharing the Philadelphia market with Temple. Philadelphia, however, is home to Comcast, which logically favors more Philadelphia-based institutions. It's possible the Owls could receive a football-only invitation.
If the Temple issue can't be resolved, the league will move on Houston and SMU. Some factions in the conference don't favor inviting both Texas schools, although with Boise State and Air Force aboard, it would make sense to have other programs west of the Mississippi.

Seems weird to potentially have a division of

-Boise
-Air Force
-SMU
-Houston
-S. Florida
-Central Florida

Who would've ever dreamed that 5 years ago a conference division stretching from Idaho to Florida was possible?
 
BYU not invited because of TV partners' concerns? Gotta love how ESPN tells the conferences who to invite. Just look to the de facto commish of college sports for advice.

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/cougars/52718156-88/byu-television-conference-football.html.csp

Why did the league do a sudden about-face, when for more than a month it was reportedly targeting BYU?
Blame it on television. Specifically, the Big 12’s current TV partners — ABC/ESPN and Fox Sports Media Group.
Although BYU’s flirtation with the Big 12 may yet be renewed at some point beyond next year, The Salt Lake Tribune has confirmed what the Tulsa World first reported on Oct. 7: Big 12 talks with BYU hit a snag last week and the league, at the behest of its television partners, quickly moved to invite TCU.
“There is some rigidity at BYU in terms of what they will and won’t do,†Tulsa World columnist Dave Sittler wrote, quoting a Big 12 source. “Some of it has to do with [LDS Church] rules, and also the way they engage with media partners.â€
The Tribune has learned that the television partners had concerns with BYU’s no-play-on-Sunday policy and how it might impact television plans as they related to televising non-football sports on Sundays — particularly the Big 12 conference basketball tournament championship game. That game has not been played on Sunday since 2008, but the television partners wanted to retain the Sunday option.
Additionally, BYU — which left the Mountain West Conference for more national television exposure as a football independent — apparently wanted assurances from the Big 12 that it would appear on national television a minimum, unspecified, number of times per season. The Cougars also were said to want permission to show their football games not picked up by Big 12 television partners on their own television network, BYUtv, which is available in more than 60 million homes nationwide.
 
I'm not not convinced that the SEC will take Missouri yet. There have been reports they're still 1-2 votes short of admittance. Now this too...

1. The SEC presidents will decide which school to invite as the league’s 14th member. Athletic administrators, I am told, don’t want Missouri because of the travel to Columbia. For instance, it’s 1,000 miles from there to Gainesville, Fla. Add the remote nature of so many SEC campuses, and travel of non-revenue teams will incur a sharp increase in either time (commercial travel through Atlanta) or money ($30,000 charter flights).

3-point stance: Mizzou's distance sours SEC - College Football Nation Blog - ESPN

2. KC mayor writes letter to appeal to MU to stay in B12

KC mayor urges MU to stay in Big 12 - KansasCity.com
 
I'm not not convinced that the SEC will take Missouri yet. There have been reports they're still 1-2 votes short of admittance. Now this too...

1. The SEC presidents will decide which school to invite as the league’s 14th member. Athletic administrators, I am told, don’t want Missouri because of the travel to Columbia. For instance, it’s 1,000 miles from there to Gainesville, Fla. Add the remote nature of so many SEC campuses, and travel of non-revenue teams will incur a sharp increase in either time (commercial travel through Atlanta) or money ($30,000 charter flights).

I hope the SEC takes Florida State and the Big 12 grabs Louisville and West Virginia. That would further "centralize" Mizzou within the Big 12's footprint. It might also make St. Louis an attractive location for the Big 12 basketball tourney.
 
Seems weird to potentially have a division of

-Boise
-Air Force
-SMU
-Houston
-S. Florida
-Central Florida

Who would've ever dreamed that 5 years ago a conference division stretching from Idaho to Florida was possible?
Desperate Times call for desperate measures.
 
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