Stick a fork in 'em

[tejasclone]

The OT loss to OSU was the clincher, in my mind. They had it in the bag and served it right back up. They haven't looked like the same team since that loss.

I'm now just hoping that they find some way to finish with a winning record. That would still be a bigger achievement than anything we've seen since Greg's first year.

 

[BigBake]

I also had hopes for a better record with how we were playing.

Regardless of opponents we were a different team w more depth...a lot more depth.

 

[CyJack13]

Orr used to say that by the time your a senior, you should be able to play 40 minutes a game...

These guys are 18-22 year olds in the best shape of their life. It's not too much to ask to have them play hard all the time. Our elite 8 team had little to no depth, with Brandon Hawkins being the lone perimeter player coming off the bench, and you never had to question their effort.

That team was also more talented than just about every team we faced. We had two of the top 15 players in the entire country on that team, do we even have two of the top 30 in the Big 12 on this team?

When you have the talent like that team did, you can make up for your mistakes much easier. This team really can't afford to take a play off, it's very hard for them to come back and it's got to be frustrating for the players. To expect guys to play hard for 35-40 minutes every night and still be competitive is asking a lot. They are going to get burnt out, and we're seeing that happen.

 

[jbindm]

Well, this has been a disheartening stretch. Let's hope they can pull it together for K State and squeeze just 2-3 more wins out of this season. Getting JVB healthy will be big, and the return of Godfrey will help.

Tough season, but better days are ahead for CFH's program.

 

[Cydog04]

Our offense isnt spectacular but in 3 of our last 5 losses weve scored 75+ points. But where did our D go? I know we cant match up with any big guys we face which really hurts but our gaurds should be able to play some D out front and get some pressure. I think what kills us the most is our big guys cant even rebound! Last night JVB and Railey combined for 0 rebounds! How does that happen from 2 centers who are both 6'11"? They also combined for 5 points and 7 fouls in 25 minutes.

 

[VeloClone]

Time for Uncle Jake to call a players only meeting. That includes the scout team.

 

[clone99]

This team is definitly not very talented or deep. I guess this is the end result i expected while i did let myself get a little too excited after non-conf. and the beginning of the big twelve until missouri. our perimiter shooting has gone down the toilet, ( although last night wasn't as bad). But the horrible killing turnovers and lack of defense are the most concerning. I would like to know how many layups and dunks we have given up in the last 4 games. that might reflect a little on the game stratigies of the coaching staff with is the most concerning to me. I hope i'm wrong and everything will just be better next year

 

[Cyclonepride]

Looks like we're evenly split between rationality and irrationality.

 

[Clone_12]

That team was also more talented than just about every team we faced. We had two of the top 15 players in the entire country on that team, do we even have two of the top 30 in the Big 12 on this team?

When you have the talent like that team did, you can make up for your mistakes much easier. This team really can't afford to take a play off, it's very hard for them to come back and it's got to be frustrating for the players. To expect guys to play hard for 35-40 minutes every night and still be competitive is asking a lot. They are going to get burnt out, and we're seeing that happen.

My point wasn't how talented they were...it was how much effort they played with every game despite having no depth. That team didn't take plays off, even though they could've afforded too.

I'm not getting upset at Hoiberg for anything in year one. But I expect to see a good effort every game, and the Missouri, Texas Tech, and Colorado games have been anything but, and Fred agrees. I think this falls on mental toughness and senior leadership more than anything.

It shouldn't matter how talented you are for whether or not you take plays off. And this team takes far too many plays off. How else do you explain a 6'11'' guy not getting one rebound in 23 minutes?...pathetic.

 

[cyclones500]

Too many heartbreaking losses. This team has lost all confidence and swagger (and players). What a shame, they were really playing at a pretty high level.

I think confidence may have become The Issue. Like you said, they played at a high enough level to have won two or three additional games, which at least would help the incentive to keep at it. But if you start to get into "What does it take to win one of these?" .... even some of the things a team is doing well starts to slide. Then you're really going to slide.

I think they bounced back fine from the NU loss. But the OSU game was probably just reconfirming the negative. Win that one and they probably would have squeaked past OU, at least.

 

[heitclone]

Really people? Why is anyone blaming the team for the fans being disappointed? It's not the teams fault expectations (along with common sense) ran wild after playing one of the weakest non conference schedules in the country. I can't believe its that big of a shock that this team looks worse as competiton gets tougher. I think the kids are playing hard but they're just overmatched. I think it shows how critical depth in the backcourt is in this system, it asks a lot of energy at both ends from the guards.

 

[Clone_12]

The Nebraska and Okie State games took a lot mentally out of us imo...that is where senior leadership needs to step in and make sure the guys are still amped up to take the court. That is what mentally tough teams do after tough losses. Instead, we have a 6'11'' senior that goes out and leads by example with 5points and a whopping ZERO rebounds in 23 minutes.

 

[CYKOFAN]

Well put heitclone- Many of us got fooled by our non-conference success and thought this team was better than it is, and we just flat out played over our heads in a few of those games with the phenomenal 3 point shooting. Another win or two would be great, but we're going to finish where the Big 12 coaches said we would, and where we should be with the major warts this team had going into the season.

 

[CyJack13]

The Nebraska and Okie State games took a lot mentally out of us imo...that is where senior leadership needs to step in and make sure the guys are still amped up to take the court. That is what mentally tough teams do after tough losses. Instead, we have a 6'11'' senior that goes out and leads by example with 5points and a whopping ZERO rebounds in 23 minutes.

Why do people think our senior leaders would know how to step up in this situation? Nothing against Diante and JVB but they have known nothing but losing in the B12 their entire careers. Getting that winning attitude that we need is not going to happen over night, it's a long process. And when you have no experience winning and closing out games, it's hard to lead in that situation, and not expect the worst to happen.

I'm hoping Chris Allen will bring some leadership to the team next year, he's played on teams that had the "there's no way we're losing this game" attitude that we need. Look at UNI this year, they lost a couple games at the buzzer earlier this year but they've bounced back with seven straight wins. They are a tough team with great senior leaders, that expects to win every game, I think we'll eventually get to that point with Fred but it's a long process.

 

[Clone_12]

Why do people think our senior leaders would know how to step up in this situation? Nothing against Diante and JVB but they have known nothing but losing in the B12 their entire careers. Getting that winning attitude that we need is not going to happen over night, it's a long process. And when you have no experience winning and closing out games, it's hard to lead in that situation, and not expect the worst to happen.

I'm hoping Chris Allen will bring some leadership to the team next year, he's played on teams that had the "there's no way we're losing this game" attitude that we need. Look at UNI this year, they lost a couple games at the buzzer earlier this year but they've bounced back with seven straight wins. They are a tough team with great senior leaders, that expects to win every game, I think we'll eventually get to that point with Fred but it's a long process.

That's a fair point...and my post was more directed at Jamie than Diante or Jake Anderson...I would just think that for a guy that's career is winding down at ISU he would want to finish it out right...and be upset and getting into other people's faces if they don't show maximum effort, instead of leading by example with 5points and zero rebounds in 23 minutes. Freshmen are supposed to be the one's that let whether or not their shot is falling dictate the rest of their game, not seniors..

 

[Cyhart]

Personally, the only thing I care about at this point is hoping that this year doesnt get so ugly that it somehow affects next year. In any way. There is a whole host of things that could go wrong.

 

[Wesley]

The one negative (although there were many) that really stands out to me tonight was Vanderbeken. As a SENIOR...someone that the younger guys look up to and feed off of. How in the world do you get 5points and no rebounds in 23 minutes? Banged up or not, that if absolutely pathetic and shows no mental or physical toughness whatsoever.

Maybe his ankle and flu are worse than we know. Note that Bubu played big minutes because he is in good shape to run at that elevation and CU played four guards. Note that DG was strangely silent the second half like he was not doing too well. Note that SC tried to help out when DG went silent. Note that the game was essentially over in the first half with the rebounding causing lots of problems. The CG suspension was rotten for the impact on this game IMO. He was needed unfortunately.

 

[Clone_12]

Maybe his ankle and flu are worse than we know. Note that Bubu played big minutes because he is in good shape to run at that elevation and CU played four guards. Note that DG was strangely silent the second half like he was not doing too well. Note that SC tried to help out when DG went silent. Note that the game was essentially over in the first half with the rebounding causing lots of problems. The CG suspension was rotten for the impact on this game IMO. He was needed unfortunately.

He was banged up and a little under the weather...but was much improved from earlier in the week. Healthy enough that he should've been able to snag 1 rebound in 23 minutes. McKnight got 2 in 2minutes. Drew Mitchell got 1 in 1 minute.

 

[Wesley]

That team was also more talented than just about every team we faced. We had two of the top 15 players in the entire country on that team, do we even have two of the top 30 in the Big 12 on this team?

When you have the talent like that team did, you can make up for your mistakes much easier. This team really can't afford to take a play off, it's very hard for them to come back and it's got to be frustrating for the players. To expect guys to play hard for 35-40 minutes every night and still be competitive is asking a lot. They are going to get burnt out, and we're seeing that happen.

CU shot way too well at home. It comes down to challenging on defense and perhaps fouling more and yet we have no bench.

If Fred had known what he knows now, do you think he might have pursued Dendy or Ham a little more? We are basically short an experienced player in the middle.

 

[Cyclonestate78]

Wow... Just started reading this thread and am embarrassed. Everyone knew that McDoormat left this program with less life then you could find at the morgue for this season. We lack depth, lack any kind of interior presence, lack experience in most areas, etc.... This is the danger of people letting their expectations get WAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYY too high after a hot start when we were beating up on teams that some local high schools could beat.

Let's try and have a little perspective here.