Pres. Leath Comments on Rhoads

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Rhoadhoused

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Anyone can *****. But relative to normal fans, intelligent fans provide solutions. I was just sure you could answer what appears by your comments, to be an easy answer.

Well it's sure as **** easier to just say "keep the coach no matter what" than go out and research all the assistant coaches in the nation and lower tier head coaches and find which one would be the best fit for a program I don't even run.

You seem to be keen on firing Rhoads after next year, and you even said yourself you'd be "shocked if we go to a bowl game". So if you want him fired after next year, who would you hire?

And why do you want to keep a coach who makes you shocked when he makes a bowl game? Why not rebuild and take a shot at someone who might make them a little more often?

Worst case scenario you get someone as bad as Rhoads has been the prior 3 years. What do we have to lose?

And I can use evidence, pattern recognition, and common sense to recognize when something is not the solution to a problem, but that doesn't mean I know the solution. I just know what does not work and has not worked based on evidence.
 
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Well it's sure as **** easier to just say "keep the coach no matter what" than go out and research all the assistant coaches in the nation and lower tier head coaches and find which one would be the best fit for a program I don't even run.

You seem to be keen on firing Rhoads after next year, and you even said yourself you'd be "shocked if we go to a bowl game". So if you want him fired after next year, who would you hire?

And why do you want to keep a coach who makes you shocked when he makes a bowl game? Why not rebuild and take a shot at someone who might make them a little more often?

Worst case scenario you get someone as bad as Rhoads has been the prior 3 years. What do we have to lose?

And I can use evidence, pattern recognition, and common sense to recognize when something is not the solution to a problem, but that doesn't mean I know the solution. I just know what does not work and has not worked based on evidence.

Wrong. I have never once said I want CPR fired. And I never said "keep him no matter what." Everyone associated with ISU football knew before Leath opened his trap during Juco signing period that next year is crucial based upon what JP said. I am not happy with the last two years, this year in particular because of recruiting talent gaps on our defense. Mad he kept Sam in the OU game or maybe we beat KU. That's on CPR and his staff. However injuries have played a huge role the last 2 years also, combined with the #7 SOS in the US. That's out of CPRs control. Many of you underestimate not having an extra non conference game in relation to building confidence and ability to go bowling. For a team with a razor thin margin of error to succeed, that is huge. Proximity of our two newest conference foes to our key recruiting bases in TX and FL doesn't help either as we could convince many guys in DFW to come play in the Big 12 vs. TCU in the Mountain West, now TCU keeps those guys. WV has always recruited FL well and now they can recruit even better players than when they were in the Big East. That hurts us. Those are not excuses but facts.
I'm not shocked when CPR makes a bowl game, never said that. Re next year our Defense has Giant steps that need to be taken but it can be done. And don't forget all the pressure being put on the players next year after Leath's comments. Now they have to stress about CPR keeping his job which isn't fair to them, IMO.
I'm more in line with Linden, I want CPR to succeed next year and each year. Name another coach at ISU that has made a bowl game 50% of his years at ISU? Getting a new coach means learning new systems, getting players to run those systems etc which sets the team back another couple years. So I would be in the camp that wants to see CPR succeed. I'm more of the mind set of "what can we do to help?" vs. acting like us fans know it all and not providing solutions. That's what college does for you, to find solutions for difficult problems. Since I am not wanting CPR fired, at least not now, then I am not naming replacements. But some of you are not in the same camp and that's ok. But before you speak, put yourself in JP's shoes for a minute and consider our history, geography RELATIVE to our competition, the good we have in facilities, fan support, stadium expansion etc. Not just the spur of the moment thoughts which we are all guilty of, especially during the season. And before anyone lectures me on being frustrated after games, try traveling from TN 4-5 times each Fall.....believe me, spending that much for travel and tickets, I get the frustration! But I also realize because of geography alone vs. the Big 12 competition, we are at a major disadvantage.
I wish President Leath would have paused to consider all this before he made his comments when he did. A wise person thinks before he speaks. A wise person also does not comment on areas outside his area of expertise (during prime recruiting season), especially publicly. Those of you defending Leath for saying what he did, when he did, are either wanting CPR fired or not understanding the concept of letting your managers (JP) do their jobs. That's why you don't see other university Presidents comment on their athletic programs very often...they are wise enough to stay out of the fray and not make things worse. That's my last comment on this thread.
 
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Hey Duck, do you think we should put another FCS school on the schedule in non conference? I am sure losing to those teams in back to back years has helped ISU's confidence. There are deep coaching issues here. A Power 5 team should not be getting blown off the lines by NDSU, UNI, Tulsa and Toledo just to name a few. Notice I am not even talking about OU and Baylor here, freaking FCS schools!
 

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Wrong. I have never once said I want CPR fired. And I never said "keep him no matter what." Everyone associated with ISU football knew before Leath opened his trap during Juco signing period that next year is crucial based upon what JP said. I am not happy with the last two years, this year in particular because of recruiting talent gaps on our defense. Mad he kept Sam in the OU game or maybe we beat KU. That's on CPR and his staff. However injuries have played a huge role the last 2 years also, combined with the #7 SOS in the US. That's out of CPRs control. Many of you underestimate not having an extra non conference game in relation to building confidence and ability to go bowling. For a team with a razor thin margin of error to succeed, that is huge. Proximity of our two newest conference foes to our key recruiting bases in TX and FL doesn't help either as we could convince many guys in DFW to come play in the Big 12 vs. TCU in the Mountain West, now TCU keeps those guys. WV has always recruited FL well and now they can recruit even better players than when they were in the Big East. That hurts us. Those are not excuses but facts.
I'm not shocked when CPR makes a bowl game, never said that. Re next year our Defense has Giant steps that need to be taken but it can be done. And don't forget all the pressure being put on the players next year after Leath's comments. Now they have to stress about CPR keeping his job which isn't fair to them, IMO.
I'm more in line with Linden, I want CPR to succeed next year and each year. Name another coach at ISU that has made a bowl game 50% of his years at ISU? Getting a new coach means learning new systems, getting players to run those systems etc which sets the team back another couple years. So I would be in the camp that wants to see CPR succeed. I'm more of the mind set of "what can we do to help?" vs. acting like us fans know it all and not providing solutions. That's what college does for you, to find solutions for difficult problems. Since I am not wanting CPR fired, at least not now, then I am not naming replacements. But some of you are not in the same camp and that's ok. But before you speak, put yourself in JP's shoes for a minute and consider our history, geography RELATIVE to our competition, the good we have in facilities, fan support, stadium expansion etc. Not just the spur of the moment thoughts which we are all guilty of, especially during the season. And before anyone lectures me on being frustrated after games, try traveling from TN 4-5 times each Fall.....believe me, spending that much for travel and tickets, I get the frustration! But I also realize because of geography alone vs. the Big 12 competition, we are at a major disadvantage.
I wish President Leath would have paused to consider all this before he made his comments when he did. A wise person thinks before he speaks. A wise person also does not comment on areas outside his area of expertise (during prime recruiting season), especially publicly. Those of you defending Leath for saying what he did, when he did, are either wanting CPR fired or not understanding the concept of letting your managers (JP) do their jobs. That's why you don't see other university Presidents comment on their athletic programs very often...they are wise enough to stay out of the fray and not make things worse. That's my last comment on this thread.

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You have a right to your opinion. What coach out there, who will be here long term, can consistently, year in, year out, win 6 games with our schedule and geographical/recruiting disadvantages? Who is your man?
Eight teams in our conference.
 

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Oh, I agree next year is huge. I'd be shocked if we go bowling, but honestly, Who do we get?
So tired of this inane question. Before he was hired as our head coach, Paul Rhoads was out of work, having been let go as DC with the rest of Tubberville's staff at Auburn. Rhoads had nothing in his coaching resume that would indicate he was BCS HC material.
He was hired ONLY because he once coached here as an assistant. He would have had no chance otherwise. There are lots of prospective HC candidates out there with better qualifications than CPR. Let's raise the bar a little.
 

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So tired of this inane question. Before he was hired as our head coach, Paul Rhoads was out of work, having been let go as DC with the rest of Tubberville's staff at Auburn. Rhoads had nothing in his coaching resume that would indicate he was BCS HC material.
He was hired ONLY because he once coached here as an assistant. He would have had no chance otherwise. There are lots of prospective HC candidates out there with better qualifications than CPR. Let's raise the bar a little.


It's the same question people asked during GMac's last basketball season and immediately after. It's like people don't realize that most coaching openings occur at a place where the previous coach struggled or failed.

Somebody would want the job. Maybe they're excellent. Maybe they're good. Maybe they stink. It takes some time to find out, but I agree that we shouldn't just go with the sad sack "Who would want this job anyway" approach.
 

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It's the same question people asked during GMac's last basketball season and immediately after. It's like people don't realize that most coaching openings occur at a place where the previous coach struggled or failed.

Somebody would want the job. Maybe they're excellent. Maybe they're good. Maybe they stink. It takes some time to find out, but I agree that we shouldn't just go with the sad sack "Who would want this job anyway" approach.

Agreed. It's the easy way out to stick with a coach when you have no actual evidence.

I am 100% confident that there is at least one coach in the country who would be willing to come to ISU and would win here. I am actually pretty confident that there are a handful. We just have to go find one.

And if we don't make a bowl next year it will be pretty obvious that CPR is not the answer here, so there is nothing to lose. It's not like we have this amazing identity that we stand to lose if we move on.
 

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So tired of this inane question. Before he was hired as our head coach, Paul Rhoads was out of work, having been let go as DC with the rest of Tubberville's staff at Auburn. Rhoads had nothing in his coaching resume that would indicate he was BCS HC material.
He was hired ONLY because he once coached here as an assistant. He would have had no chance otherwise. There are lots of prospective HC candidates out there with better qualifications than CPR. Let's raise the bar a little.

Who were the coaching candidates that CPR beat out in getting the ISU head coaching job?
 

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There were plenty of great coaches interested after McCarney. I think the program is in a lot better of a spot now than it was when either he or Rhoads took over, obviously.

That was not the question that was asked. Makes no difference who applied in 2006, 1994 or even 1979. The question asked was What coaches applied for the job when CPR was chosen?
 

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That was not the question that was asked. Makes no difference who applied in 2006, 1994 or even 1979. The question asked was What coaches applied for the job when CPR was chosen?

Well if good coaches were interested in ISU when it was a worse destination than it is now, that certainly is a relevant fact to consider.
 

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Is that how it works? Do coaches apply or do ADs go and make requests for interviews and then make offers?

Many apply. Sometimes an AD gets permission to talk to a coach and the coach says whether they are interested or not.

So which candidates that expressed interest in the Iowa State job in 2008-2009 when Rhoads was hired?
 

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I don't remember. JP plays this stuff verrrry close to the vest. I'd be surprised to ever know who was really interested, and I think that's professionally good for everyone involved.

Names were leaked out in 2006 when Chizik was hired and there were names leaked in 2008-2009 when Rhoads was hired. Rhoads was the best candidate interviewed IMO. Can't recall the others right now, but they were not real impressive. Nothing like the candidates we had in 2006.

Not real impressed with the Kansas Football Coach and candidates. IMO, I thought Nebraska would do better as well.
 

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I will say this, since the season is over and bball is in full swing, the best PR for Rhoads right now is to let threads like this die. People might cool off.

I am fine if Rhoads is fired, but it's not going to happen this year. Might as well just enjoy men's and women's bball and wrestling.
 
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