Babb played incredible defense on Gatens the whole night. Gatens didn't score until almost 14 minutes in and that was a pair of free throws. Babb deserves credit for this.
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Babb played incredible defense on Gatens the whole night. Gatens didn't score until almost 14 minutes in and that was a pair of free throws. Babb deserves credit for this.
One reason they got penetration is because the refs were calling fouls on anything and ISU was going with a smaller line up.
Iowa needs a huge talent upgrade. A few years ago they had some size down low and now they have nothing. 2 years ago Gatens would have been a stater for ISU, now I dont know if he would even see the floor.
And Iowa was clearly more aggressive in the second half than they were in the first. No question about that. Now, if both teams play to their ability, yes, ISU is still the better team. And I'd say 10-15 points better. Not 25.
And hasn't that been the story of the season so far? Taking big chunks of time off, sometimes a detrimental amount of time? Is that on coaching or the players?
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I actually feel for Gatens. I think he's a decent player and he seems classy (unless I'm really forgetting something). Grew up dreaming of playing for Iowa, and ends up on the worst teams they've ever had.
If there was a Hawkeye who deserves better, that's the guy.
If there was a Hawkeye who deserves better, that's the guy.
CycloneErik
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I actually feel for Gatens. I think he's a decent player and he seems classy (unless I'm really forgetting something). Grew up dreaming of playing for Iowa, and ends up on the worst teams they've ever had.
If there was a Hawkeye who deserves better, that's the guy.
If there was a Hawkeye who deserves better, that's the guy.
I agree with SplitIdentity on his observations, and I don't cheer for Iowa. As an ISU grad and a long time follower of ISU athletics, too many Cyclone Fanatics look through rose colored glasses, harbor over hyped expectations, and express irrationally exuberant homerism. You are expected to be optimistic, have a positive outlook, and cheer for our team. But please get a grip on reality and don't go to the extreme. When we get to the level of consistently making the NCAA tournament and top level bowl games, then you can be arrogant like the fans many of you now despise.
My personal opinion last night is that we slowed down starting at about the 5 minute mark. (It's been this way every game I've been too) I don't know if we slow down so we can don't run up the score or what. It just seems like we don't go in down low as much and try and score. There was numerous times when White wanted the ball down low and they didn't give it to him. I know the refs we're calling ticky tack calls, but when Royce wants the ball, give him the ball! He may not score, but he's smart enough to pass it back if he doesn't have a shot. I loved the energy of the 1st half and wish it would have been that way for 40 minutes, but I didn't see that.
With that being said our guys played good basketball and won the game. I wasn't really complaining, just making an observation.
With that being said our guys played good basketball and won the game. I wasn't really complaining, just making an observation.
I don't get this stupid argument about if ISU is a 10 pt better team than Iowa or a 25 pt... Every game is different. If ISU is hitting from 3, and Iowa is bricking everything, than ISU could beat them by 25 or 30. It could be closer. Hell if ISU plays as badly as they did against Drake, and Iowa hits shots, they could beat ISU.
ISU looks like the better team right now, mostly on account of their talent. As it was, it was a 10 pt win. ISU fans, we need to take it and shut up. Bickering about 10 pt or 25 pt better is just asinine - there is no way to know without playing 10 games, and taking an avg.
ISU looks like the better team right now, mostly on account of their talent. As it was, it was a 10 pt win. ISU fans, we need to take it and shut up. Bickering about 10 pt or 25 pt better is just asinine - there is no way to know without playing 10 games, and taking an avg.
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Sooo......my wife wore her Hawkeye gear last night (silly wife), and was the lone person clapping in section 205 for the Hawks. Everyone was really good natured and joked with her about it. Of course, I am one scary looking huge dude, so that was probably it
Look up the word delusional. Your picture might be there with it.
Words can't describe how bad your beloved Hawkeyes are and yet we try.
This right here. Hawks probably won't get past 9 or 10 wins this year. Iowa fans just need to shut their trap and understand that the team is not good.
1) Slept walk through 40 minutes against Drake and UNI. Slept walk through about 30 minutes against Michigan. Now we're down to about 20. If we can get it down to about 5 minutes of uninspired play for the game, then this team still has a chance to accomplish what we hope they can.
2) Scotty at the off-guard is a big upgrade. He is much better there. Chris Allen should look to penetrate a little more still. Bubu was terrific.
3) I wish they were better at being able to defend hard, but without fouling like Floyd and LE's teams.
4) If they go 10-3 non-conf., then would 10-8 in Big 12 play get them a tourney bid?
2) Scotty at the off-guard is a big upgrade. He is much better there. Chris Allen should look to penetrate a little more still. Bubu was terrific.
3) I wish they were better at being able to defend hard, but without fouling like Floyd and LE's teams.
4) If they go 10-3 non-conf., then would 10-8 in Big 12 play get them a tourney bid?
I don't think 20 wins gets them into the tourney. Of course I suppose a lot depends who those wins come against. But 20 wins ain't what it used to be.
We would be on the bubble, thats for sure. That 10-8 record in the Big 12 would probably get us in.
I was very disappointed in the way the team ended the game, but not surprised. They just lack some intensity. They don't deserve all of the blame though, the coaches need to work them harder. In addition it is pretty hard to play tough defense when the officials are calling ever touch a foul. At the end of the game the officials suddenly decided to let the teams play and ISU just didn't adjust to the play. Missing 10 free throws at the end of the game didn't help a lot either.
"Shut their trap"? Really? What are you, I'm guessing 15 or 16? Telling adults to "shut their trap" when having a civil discussion with other adults about a college basketball game.
Look here, kid. I understand you like being the internet tough guy and all, but if the personality you display on this site is anything to what you're like in real life, I feel sorry for you. I really do.
I really doubt he's a teenager. I don't think I've ever heard anyone under 40 say "shut your trap."
I'm not a kid. I don't act like a tough guy. So you are wrong on SO many levels. I understand you are sad that you lost last night and that's fine, but please calm down.
