*** Official Iowa State Season Thread ***

[exCYtable]

Good coaches understand the game, understand how hard you have to play, understand the flow, and emotion of it

ours doesn’t

Ours calls timeouts to kill our own momentum. That's how bad it is.

 

[mplueg]

Ours calls timeouts to kill our own momentum. That's how bad it is.

We have momentum?

 

[Nococy]

We have momentum?

nope somebody seems to kill it asap with a timout or something

 

[awd4cy]

Honest question, does anyone think Fred could replicate that kind of success here again if by a miracle he's the next coach?

Hes been gone 6 years now and it's a completely different game.

I do, but I don’t think he can win at a level in year 2 and 3 that he did the first go around.

 

[SolarGarlic]

So true, but even Fran stopped pumping sunshine. Gotta be awful to get Fran to that point.

It's been somewhat refreshing that the commentators haven't been touting Prohm's ability as a coach. Last season and at times in 2019, the commentators would go out of their way to tell the viewers how respected he is and how he can be trusted. I haven't heard much of that talk this season. I thought we got about as much love as possible yesterday considering the circumstances. Good Haliburton interview, Fran's usual ISU love, and the play by play guy mentioning multiple times that Hilton is a bucket list item for sports fans was more than we deserved.

 

[mplueg]

It's been somewhat refreshing that the commentators haven't been touting Prohm's ability as a coach. Last season and at times in 2019, the commentators would go out of their way to tell the viewers how respected he is and how he can be trusted. I haven't heard much of that talk this season. I thought we got about as much love as possible yesterday considering the circumstances. Good Haliburton interview, Fran's usual ISU love, and the play by play guy mentioning multiple times that Hilton is a bucket list item for sports fans was more than we deserved.

Fran tried, but you can only polish a turd so much!
I’m sure he is a great person but plain and simple his job is to win basketball games!

 

[Cychl82]

Good coaches understand the game, understand how hard you have to play, understand the flow, and emotion of it

ours doesn’t

Agreed, kind of what I was thinking by this.

 

[mplueg]

Phrom’s only “success” came from Fred’s recruits that were going to be successful with or without a coach! Monte, Naz, Thomas, Niang busted their butts and pushed each other I honestly think coaching didn’t matter with that group. Arguably they would have been more successful with a better “coach”!

 

[CycloneErik]

Phrom’s only “success” came from Fred’s recruits that were going to be successful with or without a coach! Monte, Naz, Thomas, Niang busted their butts and pushed each other I honestly think coaching didn’t matter with that group. Arguably they would have been more successful with a better “coach”!

I remember Tyrus McGee going off on Royce for some lazy play during that loss at Drake (and Royce responding with 3 possessions in a row showing the player he would become).

I can only imagine how McGee, Ejim and all would respond to the way these guys practice and play. Bolton doesn't get that 10 second call playing around guys like that.

 

[Cyched]

I can only imagine how McGee, Ejim and all would respond to the way these guys practice and play

 

[Cychl82]

I remember Tyrus McGee going off on Royce for some lazy play during that loss at Drake (and Royce responding with 3 possessions in a row showing the player he would become).

I can only imagine how McGee, Ejim and all would respond to the way these guys practice and play. Bolton doesn't get that 10 second call playing around guys like that.

You’re correct 1000%, all created by the coaches culture

 

[Rabbuk]

I remember Tyrus McGee going off on Royce for some lazy play during that loss at Drake (and Royce responding with 3 possessions in a row showing the player he would become).

I can only imagine how McGee, Ejim and all would respond to the way these guys practice and play. Bolton doesn't get that 10 second call playing around guys like that.

I feel like this is the mj factor. Mj made so many role players play out of their god damn minds because he would smack the **** out of them in practice. Kerr caught that smoke at least one time.

 

[tim_redd]

Ours calls timeouts to kill our own momentum. That's how bad it is.

Could you even image Dustin Hogue draining a 3 against Oklahoma to finally erase a 20 point deficit and our own coach calls a timeout?

That strategy still makes absolutely zero sense to me.

 

[Sigmapolis]

Phrom’s only “success” came from Fred’s recruits that were going to be successful with or without a coach! Monte, Naz, Thomas, Niang busted their butts and pushed each other I honestly think coaching didn’t matter with that group. Arguably they would have been more successful with a better “coach”!

Look, the Prohm era is falling apart and likely coming to an inglorious end.

But we should remember the good times and remember that Prohm did accomplish at least a few things with his own guys while he was in Ames. Like, for instance, this happenstance?



It was not like the McDermott era where there was virtually nothing good to remember about it.

 

[jpete24]

Look, the Prohm era is falling apart and likely coming to an inglorious end.

But we should remember the good times and remember that Prohm did accomplish at least a few things with his own guys while he was in Ames. Like, for instance, this happenstance?

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It was not like the McDermott era where there was virtually nothing good to remember about it.

Are you kidding me? That team went 9-9 in the Big 12 and lost in the first round. That team had three NBA players on the roster, one of which was a 1st rounder. He under achieved that year so hard it's not even funny. I don't look at that year as a positive anymore, I see it as a negative now that these guys are in the NBA.

 

[jpete24]

It was not like the McDermott era where there was virtually nothing good to remember about it.

Prohm very well could make history for having the worst season on record. McDermott didn't have a great tenor here, but at least he didn't set records for having the worst season in history.

 

[NoCreativity]

Are you kidding me? That team went 9-9 in the Big 12 and lost in the first round. That team had three NBA players on the roster, one of which was a 1st rounder. He under achieved that year so hard it's not even funny. I don't look at that year as a positive anymore, I see it as a negative now that these guys are in the NBA.

I'll agree although that weekend in Kansas City was fun and finally showed a glimpse of what that team could be.

People forget but we had lost 6 of 8 going into that tourney and some of those loses towards the end were complete beatdowns. Then we lost a few early in the conference seaown we shouldn't have due to poor coaching. They also got destroyed by Iowa that year and they ended up not beating any good teams on their Maui trip.

That season was complete letdown as far as I'm concerned and showed jsut how bad this coaching staff is.

 

[exCYtable]

I'll agree although that weekend in Kansas City was fun and finally showed a glimpse of what that team could be.

People forget but we had lost 6 of 8 going into that tourney and some of those loses towards the end were complete beatdowns. Then we lost a few early in the conference seaown we shouldn't have due to poor coaching. They also got destroyed by Iowa that year and they ended up not beating any good teams on their Maui trip.

That season was complete letdown as far as I'm concerned and showed jsut how bad this coaching staff is.

Worse yet: that Big 12 title bought him an extension if I remember correctly, which is how we are in the mess we are today.

 

[ISUChippewa]

I'll agree although that weekend in Kansas City was fun and finally showed a glimpse of what that team could be.

People forget but we had lost 6 of 8 going into that tourney and some of those loses towards the end were complete beatdowns. Then we lost a few early in the conference seaown we shouldn't have due to poor coaching. They also got destroyed by Iowa that year and they ended up not beating any good teams on their Maui trip.

That season was complete letdown as far as I'm concerned and showed jsut how bad this coaching staff is.

I'm on record as defending that season as being a good one for ISU basketball when compared against the history of the basketball program, and I will die on that proverbial hill.

That being written, it would have been nice to have won at home against Baylor and TCU, or at least one of them. Even without Shayok that team also had no business losing the way they did at WVU.

OTOH, it was pretty cool to beat both of the conference co-champs on their own floors, as well as beat a pretty decent Ole Miss team on the road during the Big 12/SEC Challenge.

 

[jpete24]

I'm on record as defending that season as being a good one for ISU basketball when compared against the history of the basketball program, and I will die on that proverbial hill.

You go ahead and die on a hill for what is starting to look like a coach of the worse season in Iowa State history.