No PG
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I agree the PG thing is way overblown. More important problems are rebounding, Allen's injury, and lack of frontcourt depth.
That coaching staff was the ONLY reason people on this board still think Petey was a good player. His role on those teams was made easy by McDermott because he wasn't capable of doing a whole lot on the court.
We al know white guys from the midwest can't possibly be great PG's.....Holloway has to be the most underrated player at ISU ever. He was a smart, unselfish team player and all he did was win. I'm not sure Petey even belongs in a conversation with him, not a knock on Petey at all, Jacy was that solid. A guy like Jacy with the team we have this year would raise them to another level.
LOL!!!!
So you're saying that Scotty > Allen > McGee > Tavon > Jacy > Peterson
I really have seen it all.
Do you really think that we have 4 players on the roster that are better PG's than Jacy or Peterson?
Now you're looking foolish.
A big concern is if the point guard is not existent, does this mean we have fewer fast breaks this year....the exhibition pace looked pretty slow and not inspiring. DG was the outlet man and he moved the ball downcourt fast. That may not happen this year? Or can Bubu be the Man to get the ball downcourt?
Listen. I loved Jacy just like the rest of you but he wasn't great or even very good D1 player. He was an adequate PG with very good/great players around him. It seemed like it took him forever to get the ball across half court and get us into offense. Dedric, Kenny, and Shawn constantly had to come to the ball to bail him out. I can still see Dedric bailing him out above the time line- just to get into the offense.
Look, reasonable and intelligent minds can disagree without being disagreeable, but reading this does have me wondering just how familiar you are with that era of Cyclone basketball. Tim Floyd's Iowa State teams won a lot of games by scoring in the 50's and 60's, and it was due to tempo, not because Jacy Holloway routinely struggled in bringing up the ball. I remember quite a few games where our first basket was a Holloway alley-oop to Kelvin Cato, not exactly the start of some kind of titanic struggle for us to get the offense started. Jacy Holloway didn't have the talent of a Tinsley, Hornacek, or even Blalock, but IMO he was the ideal PG for TF's kind of teams.
Bubu Palo has been mentioned quite a bit in this thread, so I'll go ahead and chime in on that. I know it's popular for some misguided souls to just rip Bubu to shreds on here, since those puny walk-ons don't deserve any sort of respect, but if he is our best option at point guard for the moment, than by all means let's start him until our other PG options get more comfortable. I think he's a great athlete and gave us a lot of good minutes last season, not to mention he's familiar with our system. Don't forget he is a recruited walk-on, not just some scrub off the street. I don't have any conclusive, factual links to back me up on this, but I'm pretty sure he may have had an offer or two from "mid-major" schools.
Look, reasonable and intelligent minds can disagree without being disagreeable, but reading this does have me wondering just how familiar you are with that era of Cyclone basketball. Tim Floyd's Iowa State teams won a lot of games by scoring in the 50's and 60's, and it was due to tempo, not because Jacy Holloway routinely struggled in bringing up the ball. I remember quite a few games where our first basket was a Holloway alley-oop to Kelvin Cato, not exactly the start of some kind of titanic struggle for us to get the offense started. Jacy Holloway didn't have the talent of a Tinsley, Hornacek, or even Blalock, but IMO he was the ideal PG for TF's kind of teams.
Bubu Palo has been mentioned quite a bit in this thread, so I'll go ahead and chime in on that. I know it's popular for some misguided souls to just rip Bubu to shreds on here, since those puny walk-ons don't deserve any sort of respect, but if he is our best option at point guard for the moment, than by all means let's start him until our other PG options get more comfortable. I think he's a great athlete and gave us a lot of good minutes last season, not to mention he's familiar with our system. Don't forget he is a recruited walk-on, not just some scrub off the street. I don't have any conclusive, factual links to back me up on this, but I'm pretty sure he may have had an offer or two from "mid-major" schools.
This was one of my biggest concerns watching the GVS game as well. I think part of that had to do with GVS not allowing us to beat them on the break but when we did have chances to run, it didn't look like we had anyone to push the ball.
A mouse could've alley-ooped to Cato. I'm very familiar with that era and Holloway's abilities. He took care of the ball and defensively did a very good job of staying between the ball and the basket(took lots of charges). But when we played strong, athletic back-courts like Kansas, Oklahoma, OSU and Missouri he got pushed all over the place.
I feel like Lombardi when he yelled "What the hell is going on here!"
We have one exhibition with Scotty manning the point and suddenly everyone here has loss their collective marbles. Some are saying all is lost. Others think Bubu/Sledge should be the starting PG.
Let's say that CFH puts Bubu/Sledge at the point what does that gain the team? A quicker PG that can drive and create off the dribble. What does this team have. Quick wings that can get their own shot, a mobile PF that can create offense for himself or others. Why do we need a PG that is limited in what he does by driving the lane to help others to get a shot when we have players that can do that. In a McD style offense that's maybe what you need but not necessarily with this starting 5. A lot people here bash McD and his playbook but they are still hung up on what they perceive is the "right" way to have team.
What does this team need. A spread out offense allowing the lane to be clear so players can create space and mismatches. What does Scotty bring. A player that knows the offense that can spread the floor with his outside shooting.
This isn't about who is a better PG but about what the team needs to be successful.
We have one exhibition with Scotty manning the point and suddenly everyone here has loss their collective marbles. Some are saying all is lost. Others think Bubu/Sledge should be the starting PG.
Let's say that CFH puts Bubu/Sledge at the point what does that gain the team? A quicker PG that can drive and create off the dribble. What does this team have. Quick wings that can get their own shot, a mobile PF that can create offense for himself or others. Why do we need a PG that is limited in what he does by driving the lane to help others to get a shot when we have players that can do that. In a McD style offense that's maybe what you need but not necessarily with this starting 5. A lot people here bash McD and his playbook but they are still hung up on what they perceive is the "right" way to have team.
What does this team need. A spread out offense allowing the lane to be clear so players can create space and mismatches. What does Scotty bring. A player that knows the offense that can spread the floor with his outside shooting.
This isn't about who is a better PG but about what the team needs to be successful.
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And yet, despite his limitations, we held our own against those teams in that era, went to 3 NCAA tournaments (including a Sweet 16 and were thisclose to an Elite 8), and won the very last Big 8 tournament. Again, we can disagree without being disagreeable and it sounds like we will have to agree to disagree, but I don't know why you're picking on Holloway so much in this thread.
I loved Jacy just like the rest of you...
Really?
Coach has said numerous times it's point guard by committee. We have no true PG and we will run our offense and game plan accordingly.
Will that work out? Who knows, there is a stronger chance it will hurt us.
I think we all have to take a deep breath and realize this season may just be a stepping stone for next year.
I still think we have the talent for a NCAA berth but now thIs team has to show it can play sans a true PG.
Will that work out? Who knows, there is a stronger chance it will hurt us.
I think we all have to take a deep breath and realize this season may just be a stepping stone for next year.
I still think we have the talent for a NCAA berth but now thIs team has to show it can play sans a true PG.
I don't think he's the 2nd best PG we've had in the past 25 years, but I will defend him when for some reason people slam an integral player who was part of some of the better ISU teams we've ever had.
