No PG

[Ficklone02]

He'll struggle no more than Petersen or Holloway did (yes, I brought up Holloway). We also have other guys that can handle the ball (from what I saw yesterday) pretty well, so it's not like all the ball handling responsibilities fall on SC.

I don't know how to compare Scotty to those guys, but I do know that any offense that is forced to operate further out from the basket due to pressure perimeter defense gives the defense a significant advantage. If SC plays point we will see teams deny the crap out of the wings and pressure him with great on ball defense. That could be a significant problem for us if we don't find a way to combat that.

 

[Cydkar]

How many Big 12 games did Petey win again?

 

[cy1010]

How many Big 12 games did Petey win again?

By himself? Zero.

 

[cy1010]

I don't know how to compare Scotty to those guys, but I do know that any offense that is forced to operate further out from the basket due to pressure perimeter defense is gives the defense a significant advantage. If SC plays point we will see teams deny the crap out of the wings and pressure him with great on ball defense. That could be a significant problem for us if we don't find a way to combat that.

I don't disagree with you at all. All I'm saying is, if that turns out to be the case in any given game we have other guys that can shoulder a fair share of the load. Hoiberg has consistently said PG by comittee. I think yesterday was just used as an audition for SC.

 

[mcblogerson]

At least our non con schedule is garbage, so we can work out the kinks and see who can feed the post and get dribble penetration.

Not a lot to take from the exhibition. We didn't run any plays, only played man defense and Grand Valley made a lot of tough shots to keep it close.

 

[acgclone]

At least our non con schedule is garbage, so we can work out the kinks and see who can feed the post and get dribble penetration.

Not a lot to take from the exhibition. We didn't run any plays, only played man defense and Grand Valley made a lot of tough shots to keep it close.

I know a lot of people were p*ssed at our OOC schedule, back when we were thinking Elite 8, but it is actually a blessing for us. We should be able to work some things out. Hopefully we can win half or close to half of our conference games and we are NIT/NCAA bound.

 

[mikem]

I don't think you said anything that was inaccurate. Its true we're currently unstable at the point guard position until we find the solution. I think people are ignoring the idea that a guy like Scotty playing the point will struggle against athletic pressure defense in conference play. He might not turn it over much, but if we're intiating our offense from 25 feet out vs. 20 feet out that will cause us some major problems.

Had I said that he said anything wrong, your defense would make more sense.

The point is that it is a problem, and an area of weakness for this team, but the fact that we should be able to initiate offense from more than just the pg position this year should alleviate some of the problem.

It seems that you are stuck in the mindset of positions, and their traditional responsibilities. We don't have the traditional "1" this year, and that could be a real problem.

But we also have a "4" a "3" and a "2" that can initiate offense, and that could very well alleviate some of that problem. We also have enough good ballhandlers that we should be able to break presses as well.

Plus, and it seems that this is also not being mentioned, getting into the lane against a defense is also about offensive spacing. If we do a good job of that, the lanes to penetrate will be bigger, and therefore easier to make plays from. And, I think we will see a lot of Royce directing offense from the block.

All I am saying is that why don't we at least wait a month before we melt down. It was an exhibition game, big time schools lose these games all the time now.

 

[Ficklone02]

Had I said that he said anything wrong, your defense would make more sense.

The point is that it is a problem, and an area of weakness for this team, but the fact that we should be able to initiate offense from more than just the pg position this year should alleviate some of the problem.

It seems that you are stuck in the mindset of positions, and their traditional responsibilities. We don't have the traditional "1" this year, and that could be a real problem.

But we also have a "4" a "3" and a "2" that can initiate offense, and that could very well alleviate some of that problem. We also have enough good ballhandlers that we should be able to break presses as well.

Plus, and it seems that this is also not being mentioned, getting into the lane against a defense is also about offensive spacing. If we do a good job of that, the lanes to penetrate will be bigger, and therefore easier to make plays from. And, I think we will see a lot of Royce directing offense from the block.

All I am saying is that why don't we at least wait a month before we melt down. It was an exhibition game, big time schools lose these games all the time now.

Why use the terminology "melting down"? I don't see any of that going on here. Nobody is melting down.

These are legitimate concerns that I'm curious to see how the coaches work to allieviate. Its ok to talk about this stuff. If your viewpoint is that we shouldn't talk about any issues with the team until a month into the season, than why don't you come back in a month to discuss it.

Nope, I've never been stuck in the mindset of having 1-5 roles.

I like having several combo guards able to man the point. It makes us more difficult to defend. The main problem I see is having Scotty manning the point at all. He doesn't have the quickness or the height to throw the ball over the defense. He's much more dangerous as a stand still shooter and secondary ballhandler. He really did look somewhat like Petey out there being forced out around 25 feet to initiate the offense, which is a big problem.

I like the idea of using Royce as a way to initiate our offense by dumping the ball into him at the high post, or having him run the point forward. I thought Royce did a nice job running the point forward when he rebounded and brought the ball up.

 

[Cydkar]

I think people ignoring the PG issue have their head in the sand. How many games it costs us is completely debateable. I'd bet at least one but have no idea how many. Heck, if it's just one I'll be tickled. Rebounding is fixable. PG play may not be.

It's an issue. How big is anybody's guess but it is an issue.

 

[rholtgraves]

I think people should wait until we play some games before drawing the conclusion that we are screwed at the PG position. I am sure several lineups will be experimented with and whoever does the best job will be the main PG. With so many new players this team will evolve as the games are played.

 

[Clone5]

How many Big 12 games did Petey win again?

Petey would be the starting PG for this year's team. He didn't have much to work with.

 

[Cydkar]

Petey would be the starting PG for this year's team. He didn't have much to work with.

Therein lies the problem. Like I said before, I don't know how much of a problem it is at this point. It may prove to be very minimal. I think it wil be beyond minimal.

 

[cysocool]

First of all we have solid true point guard, his name is Tavon Sledge and he's already better than Holloway or Peterson. I'd describe him as a smaller version of Will Blalock. He won't be as good because he doesn't have the length but has the ability to affect the game in many of the same ways.

You have to look at our guards as a group to measure their potential. Allen and SC or Sledge and Mcgee and throw Bubu into the mix. Has ISU ever had that kind of depth at the guard position? Also, White, Ejim, and Babb can all bring the up the floor and break down pressure.

Would I like to have DG back this year and would help this team in the early, non conference portion of our schedule- yes. But when this team hits stride and our guards settle in, they'll be very successful.

 

[Cydkar]

First of all we have solid true point guard, his name is Tavon Sledge and he's already better than Holloway or Peterson. I'd describe him as a smaller version of Will Blalock. He won't be as good because he doesn't have the length but has the ability to effect the game in many of the same ways.

You have to look at our guards as a group to measure their potential. Allen and SC or Sledge and Mcgee and throw Bubu into the mix. Has ISU ever had that kind of depth at the guard position? Also, White, Ejim, and Babb can all bring the up the floor and break down pressure.

Would I like to have DG back this year and would help this team in the early, non conference portion of our schedule- yes. But when this team hits stride and our guards settle in, they'll be very successful.

WTF? Based on what?

 

[cysocool]

WTF? Based on what?

He can dunk the basketball. Duh!

 

[Cydkar]

So could Petey and Holloway.

 

[cysocool]

Maybe a tennis ball without the dribble. :smile:

 

[Doc]

Petey would be the starting PG for this year's team. He didn't have much to work with.

Petey didn't really play a whole lot of PG guard for us, but when he did, he had Wesley Johnson, Hubalek, Brackins, and Rashon Clark on that team.

SC will be a better PG than Petersen...I am sure of that. We're just asking a lot more of SC than Petersen and his weaknesses may be more exposed. Petey didn't even touch the ball much his senior year. It was all DG by that point.

 

[The_Architect]

Petey would be the starting PG for this year's team. He didn't have much to work with.

Agreed.

 

[Clone5]

Petey didn't really play a whole lot of PG guard for us, but when he did, he had Wesley Johnson, Hubalek, Brackins, and Rashon Clark on that team.

SC will be a better PG than Petersen...I am sure of that. We're just asking a lot more of SC than Petersen and his weaknesses may be more exposed. Petey didn't even touch the ball much his senior year. It was all DG by that point.

I was more talking about his junior year. When I said he didn't have much to work with I wasn't necessarily talking about the players around him, I was referencing the coaching staff.