With that said, we may as well go ahead and redshirt WJ to get him healthy for next year and get him another year of eligibility.
MBB: Meltdown thread
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With that said, we may as well go ahead and redshirt WJ to get him healthy for next year and get him another year of eligibility.
In listening to the post game, I hate the idea of "put this game behind us" or "we can't dwell on the past"......No, what you do is think about it for the next 2 days, get pissed off and take it out on your next opponent. We have officially hit rock bottom. 2 years ago we won by 30 at Drake. I have faith, but it sucks right now.
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When you lose by that much to a team like this.. not to totally bash Drake, but honestly... yeah, obviously a few people need a fire lit under their *****.
Again, I am sorry for the post. It is very difficult to deal with losing to Drake, we have had a elite basketball program, there is no reason for a low to be this low. IMO
Well, as much fun as those two Big 12 Championship seasons were, I would argue that those were elite teams, as opposed to us having an elite program. Remember that after Tinsley and company left, we went something like 12-19, and the next year (LE's last year) we were improved and made the NIT, but still finished 5-11 in the conference. Elite programs don't have dropoffs like that. Duke, North Carolina, UCLA, Gonzaga, and as much as some ISU fans don't like them, Kansas, all have elite programs. We don't, yet.
I feel that one of the reasons we are so behind the proverbial 8 ball is due to coaching turnover. Since Johnny Orr left, we have not had a coach stay for any more than 5 years with the program (Floyd - 4 years, LE - 5 years, WM - 3 years). It is pretty damn hard to build, develop, and sustain a program when none of your coaches stay for very long, whether it's due to ambition (TF), personal demons (LE), or just not getting the job done (WM). I haven't done any research on it, but it would be hard for me to beleive that there are very many other BCS-level college basketball teams that have gone through the number of coaches we have in fifteen years.
I think we have to start looking at this season as being a "lost" season, what with all the injuries to key players, suspensions, and very young and inexperienced backcourt. If we don't see much progress next year, then I think McD's seat will get hot and rightfully so, but I do really feel we need to have coaching stability in our program before we can start having championship dreams again.
Well, as much fun as those two Big 12 Championship seasons were, I would argue that those were elite teams, as opposed to us having an elite program. Remember that after Tinsley and company left, we went something like 12-19, and the next year (LE's last year) we were improved and made the NIT, but still finished 5-11 in the conference. Elite programs don't have dropoffs like that. Duke, North Carolina, UCLA, Gonzaga, and as much as some ISU fans don't like them, Kansas, all have elite programs. We don't, yet.
I feel that one of the reasons we are so behind the proverbial 8 ball is due to coaching turnover. Since Johnny Orr left, we have not had a coach stay for any more than 5 years with the program (Floyd - 4 years, LE - 5 years, WM - 3 years). It is pretty damn hard to build, develop, and sustain a program when none of your coaches stay for very long, whether it's due to ambition (TF), personal demons (LE), or just not getting the job done (WM). I haven't done any research on it, but it would be hard for me to beleive that there are very many other BCS-level college basketball teams that have gone through the number of coaches we have in fifteen years.
I think we have to start looking at this season as being a "lost" season, what with all the injuries to key players, suspensions, and very young and inexperienced backcourt. If we don't see much progress next year, then I think McD's seat will get hot and rightfully so, but I do really feel we need to have coaching stability in our program before we can start having championship dreams again.
As we saw in FB...sometimes you must go backwards before you can move forwards. We did lose to EA Sports, Iona and Fresno State under Wayne - all at home. We're happy we "got rid of " Dan and this after we went 3-8 this year with losses to Kent State, UNI and Toledo. How is this any different (except it's year 2 - read further)?
I am frustrated this is happening, especially in year 2 - but Greg was dealt a hand he never expected this year. Defections, injuries and Lucca being hosed by the NCAA. We'd be a better team if just one of those 3 things was not working against us.
Give us the guards from last year and we have 1, maybe 2 losses.
Eliminate some of the injuries and I'm sure we have more wins.
Give us Lucca and I'd think we've got an extra win, maybe two. That's the hardest to judge because we have not seen him though.
This totally sucks but we must look at the whole picture here. If we're sitting in this boat next year, then we can toss some mud.
I am frustrated this is happening, especially in year 2 - but Greg was dealt a hand he never expected this year. Defections, injuries and Lucca being hosed by the NCAA. We'd be a better team if just one of those 3 things was not working against us.
Give us the guards from last year and we have 1, maybe 2 losses.
Eliminate some of the injuries and I'm sure we have more wins.
Give us Lucca and I'd think we've got an extra win, maybe two. That's the hardest to judge because we have not seen him though.
This totally sucks but we must look at the whole picture here. If we're sitting in this boat next year, then we can toss some mud.
Amen to that - this year may not get much better. Two walk-ons playing significant minutes at the guard spots. Keno Davis just showed everyone how to beat us and anyone who deviates from the "pressure the guards and play zone and make us beat you from outside" game plan they are fools. This is going to take much longer then I had ever dreamed it would.:realmad:
I am also not very impressed with our recruits. Our players look lke a Valley team. But they obviously do not play like one! I wish they did! Good god we suck.
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On the post game radio interview, Coach Fennelly was asking everyone to support Coach McDermott and the men's team this weekend. Like he said, the team is hurting as much as we are after this game.
Tonight was ugly, hopefully we can regroup and move on and improve as the season goes on.
Tonight was ugly, hopefully we can regroup and move on and improve as the season goes on.
was "discombobulated" correct
I started coming to this site at about the exact same time that ISU hired Coach McDermott. At that time some of you will remember that "discombobulated" ripped on this hire. I defended and praised the hire then and have been defending McDermott as strong as possible since then. I have always tried to find the silver lining in everything that has happened (players leaving, bad losses, etc.). I now for the first time find my self asking, "was discombobulated right?"
I started coming to this site at about the exact same time that ISU hired Coach McDermott. At that time some of you will remember that "discombobulated" ripped on this hire. I defended and praised the hire then and have been defending McDermott as strong as possible since then. I have always tried to find the silver lining in everything that has happened (players leaving, bad losses, etc.). I now for the first time find my self asking, "was discombobulated right?"
That is the strange thing. Last year I actually thought we ran some plays. Now it is the run 25 seconds off then chuck it up offense. Oh, and don't forget about throwing up a big brick on the offense rebound. That is if we actually try for one.
I guess I must have missed their completely dominating game changing performances this year. They are our best players no doubt but you know whom I am referring to. Give me a break.:wacko:
Re: was "discombobulated" correct
Blue, you and I argued a little bit at that time as well. I don't know if discom was right, but things look bad right now. As I said in a different post, I can't help but wonder if Rob Jeter may have held the program together better than GM. No way of knowing and now all we can really do is sit around, wait, and hope for the best. I used to really get pumped up for basketball season, I haven't felt that way in a long time.
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Blue, you and I argued a little bit at that time as well. I don't know if discom was right, but things look bad right now. As I said in a different post, I can't help but wonder if Rob Jeter may have held the program together better than GM. No way of knowing and now all we can really do is sit around, wait, and hope for the best. I used to really get pumped up for basketball season, I haven't felt that way in a long time.
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