Rich Rod's offense worked just fine at WV. He gets to Michigan and struggles, because he doesn't have the athletes he needs to run his offense. A few years later the offense has come around...too bad their defense is terrible.
I'm sorry to say it, but there needs to be some questions on Herman as OC
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Im not convinced that these things take time and Im not convinced that Herman has good credentials. He won with one great class at Rice. And Im not convinced that things will magically change when we get a new slew of players in here. Hopefully Im wrong though, because Arnaud struggles a lot. So does our whole team.
But i guess we're forced to wait. Don't fire him IMO. Stability will bring more success than musical chairs.
But i guess we're forced to wait. Don't fire him IMO. Stability will bring more success than musical chairs.
Paul Johnson is a good coach, but to be consistent, wouldn't this mean his predecessor was a good coach? A year later, with a roster with less of the previous staff's recruits, and they are worse. Maybe the previous staff was also counting on a walk-on to lead the team as a senior? How is jdogg contradicting himself? It seems to me he is suggesting we wait until programs reach a steady-state (Year 4) before judging- good or bad.
I think you are overstating GT. They were one of the weakest OB teams that I can recall. This is a program that just lost to KU.
Speaking of doing well in Year 2 and contradictions, how do you feel about Chizik?
The defense is horrible. Is that partially due to the offense (spread) that Michigan runs? Did WVU ever have great defenses with RR?
As a Michigan fan, were the costs of going to the spread worth it? Why go backwards just so you can get back to where you were?
Weren't you the one that had nothing but praise for Johnson early on because he "was getting it done with players that weren't his," but yet, in a time when his recruits are starting to take over and GT has been less than impressive in a weak as hell ACC, he suddenly needs more time to get it done? Sorry - you can't have that argument both ways, bucky boy.
I remember how the sqwakeye fans all thought Ken Okeefe was nothing but a moron until he got better talent and suddenly no one wants to fire him. Strange dont you think? Give our coaches a chance PLEASE!!!:yes:
Tactical level complaints will always be there. My concerns are strategical based.
There was definitely some decent talent available at GT when Paul Johnson took over. The previous coach had 4 straight winning season as well as 4 straight bowl appearances including a Jan 1 game. Success like that makes it easy to recruit in the talent rich SE part of the country.
until we can some more team speed on offense and on defense-this team with one of the worst qbs in the big 12 and with slow offensive personnel and defensive personnel,wee will not win many games. utah and oklahoma are good teams becsause they had personnel that could burn our defense and offense..
SPEED KILLS;WHEN CPR GETS SOME SPEED ON BOTH THE DEFENSE AND ON THE OFFENSE WE WILL START TO SEE SOME GOOD ATHLETICISM IN OUR FOOTBALL TEAM........THEN WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO STAY WITH THE UTAHS AND THE OKLAHOMAS!!!!!!!
Not that one player makes the difference but I would say that Franklin has improved. I havent checked the stats but it seems that he has a much greater impact this year than last year. Other than him I would agree that at best most players have stagnated if not regressed.
Not that I agree with Taz on all players regressing, but Franklin was sick for most of the season last year.
I think this offense has regressed for two reasons: Harder schedule and the loss of Stephens and Haughton. These two issues propagate enough to regress the offense as a whole imo. Going in to this year, I think many felt after looking at the schedule and the losses on the line, that we were going to need AA to improve to a level where he could provide the compensation. Clearly this was too much to ask.
The biggest fluke in ISU football history.
Yeah, well we obviously caught them on a bad day. If you cannot admit that, you are worthless to argue with. Some of the turnovers were forced, sure, but some were just stupid.
It is just you. Most of them were a lack of ball protection and one was just dropped.
Worse, off but don't make him out to be a god.
If you want I could show a depth chart from last year and then one of what it is right now. That will explain the defense.
Jeff Casteel could make a defense work. I think in 2002 they had a pretty solid defense but what you have to remember is that with that system, teams get the ball more so stats get inflated against that team. Michigans defense is still terrible. Here is there secondary:
Kovacs-RS So
Cam Gordon-RS Fr(Former WR just switched this fall)
JT Floyd-RS sophomore
James ROgers-5th year senior that has been a reciever and a linebacker in the past.
Warren left, Woolfol got hurt, a former 5 star didn't want to be there, and a safety got hurt and never recovered and transfered. SO much inexperience they never had a chance. Just like USCs secondary.
On the last question, yes. They have two sophomore QBS who put up 500 yards on Iowa. Besides that, they weren't going to win in 08. They would have made a bowl but they lost so much it wasn't even funny. Mallett was likely leaving anyway and I think Manningham and Arrington were too. They were losing too much. You give Denard another year and this offense will be very close to unstoppable. If Tate stays you have a battle that makes both better. Gardner will be next. This offense will flourish. If the defense can just become marginal, they will make a championship run in 2012 and a Big Ten run next year. They are so young. They lose 2 starters on defense this year and everyone else will still be on a steep portion of growth curve.
I basically just quoted you to end my multi but I will disagree. Our Oline has regressed, therefor the whole offense has. I don't think each player has regressed on the Oline though. I said it when it happened. If this line struggles it will be because Haughton is not there. That was bigger than anyone thought at the time.
I agree with this except the last part. It is very, very tough for a QB to compensate for a struggling offensive line.
Show me a team/program struggling to win and I'll show you one with problems in the trenches, on one side of the ball or both.
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yaman-I don't want to quote a post that long, but I'd argue over and over that our guys played a role in almost all of those Nebraska turnovers. There is nothing wrong with believing that our guys stepped up a lot that day.
You are right, enrolled is different from committed. A kid can commit and not enroll (Colquin Hubert 2010 class). I'm looking at the kids that committed then enrolled. Those are the players on our football team right now!! Not the kids that committed but either went somewhere else or did not qualify to enroll for classes. Still, the issue is we have to have more competetive players and the place to get them is TX, FL, CA. Say what you want but you proved my point. OU doesn't recruit from OK because their top RB's get beat out by walk-ons from Iowa. They recruit from Texas where the kids compete at a very high level every Friday night.
ISU does not have to out-recruit Texas and OU. That will never happen because the mind-set is not the same. There are hundreds of great football players that come from Texas. So, even in a good year, Texas and OU can only sign 25 each. Where does the rest of those great players go?? To schools like ISU, Kansas, KSU, MO, Neb, TT if they recruit them well.
Get a grip, did you see that 19 of the top 100 players in the country are from FL, 14 from TX, 10 form CA.....that would be 43 of the top 100 (43% from 3 states, the other 57% from 46 states), 1 from Iowa, 0 from OK. If ISU is going to compete, they have to "recruit and sign" kids that come from competitive markets for football!!! I here Iowa is a great place to live.
I'm rooting for CPR and his staff!! They will get the job done because they are doing the right things!! Also, I am sure that they do not care what any of us thinks.
- A lot of those texas/Fl/CA kids come here and enroll but then leave because they either don't like it or are beat out. Attrition was very big with DMac and continued with the coaching change. Alburtis, Baysinger, Cameron Bell, Anthony Green, Randy Kellman, Klerekoper, Tate, Furgeson, Haughton, Land, Schwartz, are all guys that made it to ISU and then left for one reason or another and I think I am missing 1-3 guys. That is 12 guys in three classes or 4 more per year. And that doesn't include JUCOS that came, played and graduated. Using your numbers
2009 - 11
2008 - 13
2007 - 11
2006 - 11
Here's OU (TX only)
2011 commits: 17 commits, 12 from TX, 2 from OK ( they don't play competitive football in OK)
2010 enrolled: 28 enrolled, 18 from Texas, 3 from OK
2009 enrolled: 22 enrolled, 11 from Texas, 5 from OK
2008 enrolled: 21 enrolled, 12 from Texas, 2 from OK"
Add 4 to each of the classes and it is pretty similar to OU. CPR is actually behind his predecessors and it is too early to tell if guys like James White, Duran Hollis, Jennert, or others will transfer for lack of PT.
- I don't disagree that we need more kids from Texas/FL/CA but Texas kids like to stay in Texas. We lose kids to aTm, TT, Baylor, Rice, Houston,Utah, etc. Then you have OSU and Mizzou, the SEC, etc. All of those schools are closer and have had more success. Texas and Florida are mined by every conference
- CPR has not done anything any other coach at ISU has not done in the past. As a matter of fact, chizdick and DMac usually got Texas/FL kids with more offers. Name one kid from Texas that has committed this year that we beat out another BCSschool. I'll give you a hint...there is one kid and his only other offer was Minnesota.
I am a big fan of CPR and think he will succeed as well but I am not going to try and blow smoke up anyone's rear.
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I am not judging any aspect of the team on the OU game. A complete mismatch everywhere.
The line is not playing as well as last year, but I have seen a lot worse lines at ISU have a lot better results because of better play(calling) at QB, RB, and (OC).
-The RB have missed a majority of the cut backs.
-For at least 3 games we kept running the option read, without the read part. The resulting poor YPC is not on the Oline, but QB/OC.
-Having great pocket presence has never been a strong part of AA's game.
-Show me a team that can not pass (QB and WR problems), and I will show you an Oline put in a position to fail due to 8/9 men "in the box".
Any time you are this poor on offense, there are many problems. I think we all agree no unit is good enough allow another position to be below average.
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