I'm sorry to say it, but there needs to be some questions on Herman as OC

[tazclone]

Maybe rotating out? I see NOTHING interesting about that.
Did you see those catches? No wonder we have so many "drops".
AA is one of he most inaccurate spread offense QB in college football.

I did see those catches and that is exactly my point. Lenz and Franklin made plays that are normally not made. They were good to great catches but they are catches you see in every single college football game. Catches that receivers make weekly. Reynolds had separation and found the open area in the middle of the field deep enough that the LB couldn't tip the ball.

The day after that game, everyone was praising Arnaud for a great game. Said he put those balls right where he needed to for the receivers to make plays(http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/forum...-tiller-i-am-way-wrong-arnaud-you-earned.html, http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/forum/football/102436-great-game-arnaud.html He has done the same thing all season but the receivers don't make the plays. Williams against iowa, KSU, and NIU, ARob against iowa and KSU, Darks against NIU(long pass called back by a OPI) KSU, and TT.

BTW- I wouldn't consider those drops if Franklin and Lenz missed those catches. Maybe you think those are what I am considering drops but I am not. Those are great catches and if they are missed are on AA.

 

[CRAZYGREG]

We have stopped throughing the ball over the middle on slants and ins this year. I assume that they do not run though routes very much any more because AA can not make those passes. The defense only has to guard against the sidelines this year. When AA throws over the middle there is usually an interception.

 

[dualthreat]

if you want to talk player development, i can tell you one thing... ARob went from a beast compared to Iowa Adam Robinson.. to now all of a sudden that Des Moines kid- who wasn't that great in HS.. turned into some sophomore freakin beast at 5'9 200+ with some dang good speed. Why cant our ARob look and run like theirs? We all know that our ARob was/could be better than Iowas.

 

[ISUFan22]

Why cant our ARob look and run like theirs?

Um, offensive line.

 

[tazclone]

Agree, except how do we know our offense is capable of that? Defenses do not have to respect the deep ball, so things are pretty crowded where a TE typically roams. Not good for a QB like AA.
I would like to see more plays like the Hammer, touchdown. Use Franklin to open up things that we can do.

Frnaklin is currently third in receptions/game from TEs. Not bad considering sometimes he is asked to block.
I would like to see the bubble screen run to Darks, Reynolds or Lenz instead of Williams and Johnson.

 

[tazclone]

Um, offensive line.

He is also missing holes when they are there. They are closing quicker but he is missing them. IMO- it is why Woody is a better option sometimes(KSU). He sees the hole and hits it hard.

 

[tazclone]

We have stopped throughing the ball over the middle on slants and ins this year. I assume that they do not run though routes very much any more because AA can not make those passes. The defense only has to guard against the sidelines this year. When AA throws over the middle there is usually an interception.

Or because defenses are playing press coverage and taking those routes away because we can't get off the line. Probably a little of both because I have seen us run those routes and seen them completed. Especially agasint KSU.

 

[ISUFan22]

He is also missing holes when they are there. They are closing quicker but he is missing them. IMO- it is why Woody is a better option sometimes(KSU). He sees the hole and hits it hard.

It seems clear to me that we run a different style of play when Woody is in vs ARob.

I can't stand the zone reads this year and a lot of it is AA being hurt, we don't want to run him so it's really no longer a zone read, just a very slow running play to ARob.

I know coach has been saying the backs are missing holes I'm sure they are missing some, but I will absolutely not believe this is a big problem. I think it's just another item the staff is tossing out, perhaps to deflect some blame from the line and onto a senior running back that can handle it.

I refuse to believe ARob suddenly forgot how to hit the hole and what hole to run thru.

 

[tazclone]

It seems clear to me that we run a different style of play when Woody is in vs ARob.

I can't stand the zone reads this year and a lot of it is AA being hurt, we don't want to run him so it's really no longer a zone read, just a very slow running play to ARob.

I know coach has been saying the backs are missing holes I'm sure they are missing some, but I will absolutely not believe this is a big problem. I think it's just another item the staff is tossing out, perhaps to deflect some blame from the line and onto a senior running back that can handle it.

I refuse to believe ARob suddenly forgot how to hit the hole and what hole to run thru.

IMO- ARob is a patient back that waits for holes and hits cutbacks but now that the holes are closing quicker, he misses them or gets to them too late. I thought it was very apparent against KSU and TT and some of that could have been because he is dinged up.

 

[CYinPA]

if you want to talk player development, i can tell you one thing... ARob went from a beast compared to Iowa Adam Robinson.. to now all of a sudden that Des Moines kid- who wasn't that great in HS.. turned into some sophomore freakin beast at 5'9 200+ with some dang good speed. Why cant our ARob look and run like theirs? We all know that our ARob was/could be better than Iowas.

Your infatuation with putting down ISU's developmental program and pumping up Iowa's is getting the best of you here.
Have you seen the real ARob? If anything, he has gotten too big. He is bigger and faster than little Arob. They started from pretty much the same level.
ARob is simply missing cutbacks and not hitting holes as quickly as before. Maybe it is injuries? Maybe it is play calling?

 

[ISUFan22]

Compare this year to the same point last year - how many carries did AA have? I have to assume it's less this year - which IMO is having an impact on ARob. As is the poor offensive line play.

If you're going to run zone reads, the line must sustain blocks. They can't, and IMO - the zone read system with this personnel is not going to be nearly as effective.

So it goes back to my original point in this thread, the system does not fit the current personnel. Improvements won't be noticeably made until the personnel fits the system.

 

[CYinPA]

Or because defenses are playing press coverage and taking those routes away because we can't get off the line. Probably a little of both because I have seen us run those routes and seen them completed. Especially agasint KSU.

They also realize we rarely run routes that would burn them. A lot of coming back to the ball and stationary targets. Why? One reason could be because we do not have an accurate QB.
And before we blame it on the WR, I have seen less gifted athletes get open far more, if for not anything else but defensive breakdowns. There is a reason Herman is not calling for more of those routes that keep the defense honest. You do not need water bugs or fast guys to get separation. Routes and timing. Hard to get separation when the routes you run call for you to be a stationary target and the ball is late. Also makes yards after the catch hard to come by.

 

[tazclone]

Compare this year to the same point last year - how many carries did AA have? I have to assume it's less this year - which IMO is having an impact on ARob. As is the poor offensive line play.

If you're going to run zone reads, the line must sustain blocks. They can't, and IMO - the zone read system with this personnel is not going to be nearly as effective.

i am not takign all of the blame off the line. They are not holding blocks as long and are missing some on other plays. As I have always said, there isn't one unit that is playing consistently right now. Not one and that is why our offense fails. When the QB plays good, another unit plays bad, when the WR plays good, another unit plays bad, when the OL plays good, another unit plays bad. We just never seem to get more than 2 units playing well together.

People think I think AA is great. I don't. I also think that he is 1/3 the problem with our passing game. The other two would be WR and OL. Nobody is playing well and that is why I think the title of this thread is spot on.

 

[CYinPA]

If you're going to run zone reads, the line must sustain blocks. They can't, and IMO - the zone read system with this personnel is not going to be nearly as effective.

Only top-10 lines were going to do what you are asking against Iowa and OU. We could have had a good line, and it would have been trouble.

In the rest of the games, we have left a lot of yards on the table by not going to where the hole was and making the wrong read. Are things open as long as last year? No. Are we getting to the second level as well? Nope. However, compared to other units, the Oline is getting their job done.

 

[FootballinTexas]

I'm gonna bow out because obviously you don't have good data. Every Texas recruit had offers from at least 1 other BCS school except for Matt Thomas. And many of their other offers were from D-1 schools that ISU couldn't beat right now like TCU, Tulsa, and Houston. Bennett (Minn), Dika (Kansas, Utah), Barnett (KState) Hollis (Baylor, Iowa), Mattison (OK State), Young (KState).

I would guess that many of the Texas players don't stay because they get tired of watching ISU play kids from Iowa so they can compete the Hawkeyes for fan base. They stay and play in other places outside of Texas. Why not ISU!

They are doing well recruiting these kids. Obviously they can play or the staff wouldn't travel to Texas to recruit them.... also other BCS and powerful mid-major schools wouldnt be recruiting them.

But, I'm gonna let you win this one. Go Cyclones!!

 

[CYinPA]

I'm gonna bow out because obviously you don't have good data. Every Texas recruit had offers from at least 1 other BCS school except for Matt Thomas. And many of their other offers were from D-1 schools that ISU couldn't beat right now like TCU, Tulsa, and Houston. Bennett (Minn), Dika (Kansas, Utah), Barnett (KState) Hollis (Baylor, Iowa), Mattison (OK State), Young (KState).

I would guess that many of the Texas players don't stay because they get tired of watching ISU play kids from Iowa so they can compete the Hawkeyes for fan base. They stay and play in other places outside of Texas. Why not ISU!

They are doing well recruiting these kids. Obviously they can play or the staff wouldn't travel to Texas to recruit them.... also other BCS and powerful mid-major schools wouldnt be recruiting them.

But, I'm gonna let you win this one. Go Cyclones!!

I do not think any kid plays because they are from a certain state. We need tough guys. Those are usually not the ones that would leave because they think they are not getting playing time due to their origin.
If you can send more tough kids from Texas up, I promise I will cheer for them like they are from my hometown.

 

[Cyclonestate78]

LOL...you are assuming that he has complete control of those stats. What happens when a receiver drops a ball? Does that affect completion%? What happens when that drop happens on 3rd down and stalls a drive causing a 3 and out? Does that affect the ability to get yardage?
Let me ask a question or two...Who is ISU's possession receiver this year? Who is the one guy that you know you can go to to make a catch/tough catch to extend a drive? I am talking WR.
2010- Franklin..a TE.
2009- Hamilton, Williams (very sure hands last year but not as much this year)
2008- Sumrall, Hamilton, and even Jones

See the difference.

Let me first state that Collin Franklin is our possession receiver this year. It was a bogus question to begin with because you can't ask for me to name a guy and then limit who I can choose. Maybe you should look at the statistics and I wish they had a number of targets but they don't.

Collin Franklin 31 catches for 313 yards *long of 36
A-Rob 19 catches for 128 yards *long of 23
Darius Darks 17 catches for 205 yards *long of 31
Jake Williams 15 catches for 159 yards *long of 28
Sedrick Johnson 14 catches for 94 yards *long of 15
Darius Reynolds 11 catches for 162 yards *long of 36
Josh Lenz 6 catches for 72 yards *long of 18
Kurt Hammerschmidt 4 catches for 31 yards *long of 15
Shontrelle Johnson 3 catches for 9 yards *long of 9
James White 1 catch for 5 yards

So now you have to break this down...

Throws to RB or TE.... 58
Throws to WR's.... 63

52% of completions go to WR's.

Let's look at Indiana for a comparison

Demarlo Belcher WR 41 catches for 510 yards. *long of 65
Tandon Doss WR 32 catches for 438 yards. *long of 46
Terrance Turner WR 32 catches for 329 yards. *long of 33
Duwyce Wilson WR 15 catches for 216 yards. *long of 39
Ted Bolser TE 12 catches for 194 yards. *long of 27
Darius Willis RB 11 catches for 102 yards. *long of 19
Trea Burgess RB 5 catches for 38 yards. *long of 13
Max Dedmond TE 5 catches for 37 yards. *long of 16
Nick Turner RB 3 catches for 22 yards. *long of 8
Kofi Hughes WR 4 catches for 21 yards. *long of 7
Jamonne Chester WR 2 catches for 13 yards. *long of 11

Their breakdown...

Throws to RB & TE's.... 36
Throws to WR's... 126

78% of completions go to the WR's.

What does this tell you?

1. Arnaud is only looking to his WR's a shade over 50% of the time.
2. Arnaud is not looking much farther down the field then 10 yards....if that.
3. Arnaud is confused by the defense and is looking for the easiest throw possible meaning a ton of dump off throws to his backs and TE's.
4. Based on the dispersion of his completions he is not making accurate throws down the field considering the average yardage per completion is only 9.6 yards and his yards per attempt is a mind blowing 5.7 yards.

To put this into perspective.... The absolutely horrid QB's at Kansas are averaging 6.13 and 6.38 yards per attempt. Their receivers are averaging 10.4 yards per catch. Oh... and both Kansas QB's are completing passes at a higher percentage then Arnaud.

If these numbers don't make you want to throw up in your mouth then I don't know what to do for you. The numbers say it all.

 

[CYinPA]

Cyclonestate78, not that it would change much, but a more accurate number would be attempts to these positions, correct? I imagine it would still be far from IU's.

 

[dualthreat]

If any of you think Alexander is better than Adam... you are incredibly mistaken. Does iowa have a better offensive line? Yes. Does Adam run harder? Yes. Are they equal speed? Yes. Who was better last year? Alexander.

Iowa's utter dominance in player development has suddenly become my infatuation. I would argue there is not one program in the entire country that develops better than Iowa. And from what I've seen out of ISU, we don't develop relatively at all. Credit that to coaching changes.

Irregardless, this is 2010. We are playing football games now. Im not discussing what we hope will happen in two years.

 

[CY ST8T]

Let me first state that Collin Franklin is our possession receiver this year. It was a bogus question to begin with because you can't ask for me to name a guy and then limit who I can choose. Maybe you should look at the statistics and I wish they had a number of targets but they don't.

Collin Franklin 31 catches for 313 yards *long of 36
A-Rob 19 catches for 128 yards *long of 23
Darius Darks 17 catches for 205 yards *long of 31
Jake Williams 15 catches for 159 yards *long of 28
Sedrick Johnson 14 catches for 94 yards *long of 15
Darius Reynolds 11 catches for 162 yards *long of 36
Josh Lenz 6 catches for 72 yards *long of 18
Kurt Hammerschmidt 4 catches for 31 yards *long of 15
Shontrelle Johnson 3 catches for 9 yards *long of 9
James White 1 catch for 5 yards

So now you have to break this down...

Throws to RB or TE.... 58
Throws to WR's.... 63

52% of completions go to WR's.

Let's look at Indiana for a comparison

Demarlo Belcher WR 41 catches for 510 yards. *long of 65
Tandon Doss WR 32 catches for 438 yards. *long of 46
Terrance Turner WR 32 catches for 329 yards. *long of 33
Duwyce Wilson WR 15 catches for 216 yards. *long of 39
Ted Bolser TE 12 catches for 194 yards. *long of 27
Darius Willis RB 11 catches for 102 yards. *long of 19
Trea Burgess RB 5 catches for 38 yards. *long of 13
Max Dedmond TE 5 catches for 37 yards. *long of 16
Nick Turner RB 3 catches for 22 yards. *long of 8
Kofi Hughes WR 4 catches for 21 yards. *long of 7
Jamonne Chester WR 2 catches for 13 yards. *long of 11

Their breakdown...

Throws to RB & TE's.... 36
Throws to WR's... 126

78% of completions go to the WR's.

What does this tell you?

1. Arnaud is only looking to his WR's a shade over 50% of the time.
2. Arnaud is not looking much farther down the field then 10 yards....if that.
3. Arnaud is confused by the defense and is looking for the easiest throw possible meaning a ton of dump off throws to his backs and TE's.
4. Based on the dispersion of his completions he is not making accurate throws down the field considering the average yardage per completion is only 9.6 yards and his yards per attempt is a mind blowing 5.7 yards.

To put this into perspective.... The absolutely horrid QB's at Kansas are averaging 6.13 and 6.38 yards per attempt. Their receivers are averaging 10.4 yards per catch. Oh... and both Kansas QB's are completing passes at a higher percentage then Arnaud.

If these numbers don't make you want to throw up in your mouth then I don't know what to do for you. The numbers say it all.

KABOOM!!! Game, Set and Match!!! Take out the Tech anomoly and you would probably drop the stats by 75%