Hoiberg Watch 2015: Saturday, May 30 Thread

[Wesley]

I'm there with ya now. As a baseball coach who preaches "ya gotta fight through adversity" mantras every day, its time to embrace this as an opportunity.

How many games did you win last year?

 

[bawbie]

There is much more smoke out there suggesting Hornacek hasn't been contacted. I haven't seen anything to suggest he has...not that that means much. But it's worth at least bringing up the question.

His namebeing floated this much means ISU people have talked to Hornacek people. Of course, ISU still has a coach, so no official communication is possible.

 

[isucy86]

Man, the meltdown around here is going to be EPIC.

Some of you are ridiculous. Fred is doing what he thinks is best for him and his family. He doesnt care what a bunch of random, anonymous posters/fans think. We have known since the beginning that Fred wanted to coach in the NBA. Everyone here would do the same thing if they were in his position. Has Fred and ISU handled this perfectly? No, but with the Bulls situation and Fred's surgery, they handled it the best they could.

Instead of acting like immature little children, how about we all be grateful for what Fred did here and wish him the best.

Couldn't have said it better myself. The same people who were treating Fred like a God nearly 3 months ago, are now acting like Fred peed in their Cheerios. Sure it would have been better that this all played out quickly

 

[Wesley]

If JP fails to do any sort of search so he can hire his buddy Otz, that is absolutely terrible. Hornacek would obviously at least pick up the phone (based on some of his comments this week). Perhaps Hornacek is just jockeying for an extension, but failing to talk to him is absolutely terrible. I guess it shouldn't be a surprise though, JP hired McDermott and picked Chizik over Jim Harbaugh (Jim Harbaugh freaking wanted to coach here!).

My guess is Fred and JP are not talking much any more.

 

[CyJack13]

Surprised about how many people are wanting Otz as their #1 choice. If we hire Otz, I will fall in line, but damn..... Don't you guys realize how big of a gamble this is? We're giving someone that may or may not have been hired by a low major school the head coaching job at a P5 school that is a top 10 team in the country. That is insanity. If Pollard makes the wrong decision everything that ISU has gained the last 5 year as far as being nationally relevant gets flushed down the toilet.

Hiring Otz somewhat reminds me of Miami hiring Larry Coker after Butch Davis went to the NFL. One of the reasons Miami hired Coker was that they were so loaded they just wanted someone familiar with the program who wouldn't change things up. The good news is that worked great while the Davis' players were there, Coker started out 24-0, the bad news is once those guys were gone, he turned Miami into a .500 team and they haven't got back to being an elite team since then.

 

[roundball]

He's not staying and at this point do we really even want him to? He would not be able to recruit without a 4-5 year commitment which he would not give.

Something along these lines would help...

"I am going to be a lifer. This is what I'm going to be, and I'm damn proud of it." - Tom Izzo

 

[clonedude]

Coaching firm has been hired. Hornacek's agent has likely been contacted. Hornacek maintains ambiguous position. He is under contract to the Suns for next year at $2 million per year. A good year and he gets a lot of money. Hornacek seems to be an NBA guy. All of the posturing could be about getting a better deal from the Suns.

Chizik was the sexy hire, if you go back to that time. It was considered a coup.

You don't know any of this. You're just making this stuff up.

You've been posting a lot lately saying.... "my sources tell me...." blah, blah, blah. You have no "sources" at all. Most of your imaginary "sources" have been dead wrong.

We can all have "sources" that we make up in our minds and are not real. Sorry, I just don't believe any of your posts regarding "inside" info. You know nothing, just like most of us.

 

[clonehenge]

NOTE to the "why publish that article" crowd: Because if a deal really was in place for months like some had indicated, that's a bad look for Iowa State's head coach. I had to know if that was true. If a coach knows he is on his way out, is he really recruiting the same way as a guy trying to build for the future? That type of stuff. I wanted to dig into it.

Hoiberg's reputation should mean something here. I was not surprised to learn that the whole "gentlemen's agreement" thing was false.

Not saying there was a deal in place, but I think that's exactly why we will never know the truth about whether there was or not...and Hines' report about what Fred said to Diallo makes me think that something may have been going on...but who knows.

Fred's a smart man, he knows if that ever got out it would kill his reputation.

I know you have your trusted sources Chris, but if I were Fred and I had a secret deal in place I would keep that info to myself (or at least limited to a few trusted people) and then deny, deny deny if it ever leaked...

If he does end up going to the Bulls, I just don't believe we will ever know if there truly was a secret deal.

Kind of like that girlfriend who starts dating a new guy a week after you break up...and then claims she hadn't been sleeping with him for months prior to you breaking up...but it all just seems a little suspicious doesn't it? And then she takes the Air Supply CDs that you guys used to listen to while doing crossword puzzles together...and steals the margarita machine...I paid for half of that you dirty who-er!!!! And I want my foot massager back!!!

Excuse me now...I'll just be laying in the corner in the fetal position...in the dark...until this is all over...

 

[xr4ticlone]

I agree with you there, but someone stated he was not comfortable doing that out of his relationship with Romar.....but who knows if that is true.....on the flip side, .For those who bashed Matt A for taking Williams and going hard at Diallo for SJ, what could Fred say after he told them he would not promise at being at ISU.

This whole group seems to have integrity for everyone but ISU and the ISU fanbase. And that **** is wearing thin on me right now...real thin.

 

[Wesley]

You don't know any of this. You're just making this stuff up.

You've been posting a lot lately saying.... "my sources tell me...." blah, blah, blah. You have no "sources" at all. Most of your imaginary "sources" have been dead wrong.

We can all have "sources" that we make up in our minds and are not real. Sorry, I just don't believe any of your posts regarding "inside" info. You know nothing, just like most of us.

My gut feelings tell me the announcement will be made Monday 3:00 to the Bulls.

 

[CyPride]

His namebeing floated this much means ISU people have talked to Hornacek people. Of course, ISU still has a coach, so no official communication is possible.

Or Hornacek's people have floated his name out there on Hornacek's behalf - to let it be known that he'd be interested.

 

[nj829]

#TeamOtz

going to be a fun ride, I just know it!

 

[HornacekFan1414]

I respect the hell out of Chris Williams, but I have a really hard time believing the Hoiberg camp that no type of deal has ever been discussed.....This has been happening for a long time, and I don't care who believes me (they didn't believe anything I said in the Romar thread either...), but rumors started about Bulls and ISU in early March, and I would bet an awful lot Fred knew by early last season this was his last at ISU, and that he had "what if" discussions with the Bulls early this year.....

Fred's master plan on leaving ISU after a nice tourney run, and with a great 2015-16 team which would soften his departure was destroyed by the abysmal UAB gm.....and that has made this whole thing the cluster **** it has become...

 

[19210]

Any of you who think local media or CF or CW have an agenda of using some sort of propaganda to persuade us into the thought of hiring Otz are absolutely ******* pathetic!! Please! Thier career is to report what they find. They are not on the ISU perception payroll. Many of us (not me) were ******** at the same people for even mentioning the POSSIBILITY of Fred to the nba just a couple weeks ago.

It's embarrassing as a fanbase. We're all on the same team here..

If you are one of the people ******** at CW for no actual reason gtfoh! Get off their site.
And at this point, to me, it's not even REMOTELY funny to joke about it. They work very hard for us and take their jobs very seriously. Not to mention they've obviously made it clear they don't think it's funny either.

Situation sucks for everyone but don't bite the hand that feeds you... Go state!

People also need to keep in mind that news outlets including CycloneFanatic aren't as connected as they want us all to think they are, especially when it comes to situations like this.

A lot of times they are like psychic readers. When they get a nugget from some where they will take it, run with it, and put their own spin on it to make it look like they knew. If the media was so close to the situation we would have heard it here first. Like the Orlando thing.

I'm not hating, just being real. That's why I don't pay for sites. Everybody states they have sources, but when the news breaks it usually breaks to everybody and we all find out about the same time.

You can't blame CW or the rest of the team for trying heck its typically a 50/50 shot what they say might stick. Kind of like a meteorologist, no offense to our meteorogists on the board, but you are dealing with Mother Nature and she is very unpredictable as we all know.

Just let this play out. Nobody on here knows anymore then the next person. In the end only Fred knows and by the CBS article and some of the other things mentioned we probably have a good feel for which way he is leaning.

 

[Wesley]

I respect the hell out of Chris Williams, but I have a really hard time believing the Hoiberg camp that no type of deal has ever been discussed.....This has been happening for a long team, and I don't care what people believe me (they didn't believe anything I said in the Romar thread either...), but rumors started about Bulls and ISU in early March, and I would bet an awful lot Fred knew by early last season this was his last at ISU, and that he had "what if" discussions with the Bulls early this year.....

Fred's master plan on leaving ISU after a nice tourney run, and with a great 2015-16 team which would soften his departure was destroyed by the abysmal UAB gm.....and that has made this whole thing the cluster **** it has become...

Fred's agent has been working it with the Bulls for awhile. He must have been working with the TWolves and Orlando also.

So Fred has not been discussing it.

The loss to UAB was not suppose to happen. It messed up the magic exit.

 

[ChrisMWilliams]

I respect the hell out of Chris Williams, but I have a really hard time believing the Hoiberg camp that no type of deal has ever been discussed.....This has been happening for a long team, and I don't care who believes me (they didn't believe anything I said in the Romar thread either...), but rumors started about Bulls and ISU in early March, and I would bet an awful lot Fred knew by early last season this was his last at ISU, and that he had "what if" discussions with the Bulls early this year.....

Fred's master plan on leaving ISU after a nice tourney run, and with a great 2015-16 team which would soften his departure was destroyed by the abysmal UAB gm.....and that has made this whole thing the cluster fu*k it has become...

I never reported that it hadn't been discussed - just that an agreement (formal or informal) was already in place. I could not have a better source when it comes to that.

And I agree with you for the most part. Of course talks have occurred of some sort. Remember the column I wrote and got killed for about a month ago about the Bulls job? This didn't come out of nowhere but I think people do need to step back and remember the type of man Fred is. A damn good one.

As as of yesterday no deal was in place despite what some might lead you to believe. Having said that, I think we can all admit it's imminent that he is the next coach of the Chicago Bulls.

 

[Skidoosh]

"what is wrong with ISU as an institution and fanbase that an alum called "the Mayor" doesn't want to stay and become a college basketball legend?"

FYFY

 

[HornacekFan1414]

I never reported that it hadn't been discussed - just that an agreement (formal or informal) was already in place. I could not have a better source when it comes to that.

And I agree with you for the most part. Of course talks have occurred of some sort. Remember the column I wrote and got killed for about a month ago about the Bulls job? This didn't come out of nowhere but I think people do need to step back and remember the type of man Fred is. A damn good one.

As as of yesterday no deal was in place despite what some might lead you to believe. Having said that, I think we can all ag it's imminent that he is the next coach of the Chicago Bulls.

Well said, Chris. I do remember the Bulls column very well and I supported you writing it....you have been in a tough spot for a long time, as The CF "Blinders On "fans have wanted to crucify anyone who would mention that this was possibly/Probably happening as it was too painful to accept. Interesting to see them change their tune. Respect.

 

[cycloneworld]

With his health issues, he won't be coaching that much longer IMO, get your money while you can.

Why do people keep saying this? Everything Hoiberg and his doctors have said is that he will recover 100% and live a full, normal life. The only side effect is he will be on blood thinners for the rest of his life. No more surgeries, no more risk than anyone else, and yet we keep hearing how bad his health is.

 

[LindenCy]

Hoiberg leaving is something ISU brass cannot control. Who they hire they can have some control over. Let's not screw up the latter.