Game of Thrones Season 8

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  1. Cyclonepride

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    Not terribly interesting, but to me, his interest in her (despite his...umm....shortcomings in that department) could justify the possibility that his training and procedure didn't take the man out of him (with the good and bad that come with that). .
     
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    I found Missandei pretty compelling when she disrobed for their love scenes together...
     
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    Ok, but King’s Landing did bend the knee. And the Tarly’s chose their death out of loyalty to Cersei I guess. Which makes no sense either.
     
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    I liked the episode and I have to believe that this will be close to the narrative that the books would have taken. I just feel that the writing has been rushed to the detriment of the characters, especially the women characters. If we had the novels, I'm sure GRRM would have dug deep into the characters psyche on why they did what they did, but we don't have that. The Dany stuff I can buy, because right off the bat in this episode we hear she hasn't eaten in a few days and she looks run-down when she kills Varys. The voice-over of past Targaryen's going mad also helped sell the scene, but we've had so few of these moments that it seems out of place and more of a "cop-out" by the writers to help them say "yup, she crazy" rather than have hinted at that in previous seasons.

    The Arya-Hound scene drove me nuts, because you could tell that Rory McCann and Maisie Williams were trying to sell something more than the Hound saying "you don't want to end up like me" and it just was not landing at all. You are right, Arya killed the Night King and it was awesome. Yet she is 100ft away from an unarmed and lightly guarded Cersei Lannister with the skills of an Assassin and training from various Knights and she just walks away. I feel like there is more to it that the books will sell better: such as Arya can change her face into anyone, yet the Hound proudly wears his scars as his identity and wouldn't change himself at all. Maybe that is what they were trying to do, but they didn't execute well.
     
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    #2366 BoxsterCy, May 13, 2019
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    My fav is when she walled in the couple, alive. And by "fav" I mean example of how she is a nasty mean power hungry tyrant that has to be convinced to not be worse while convincing herself she loves the people. She had a cruel streak for seasons.

    Plus, who could have thought the city was going to burn? Several seasons of Tyrion saying like a hundred times "You don't have to burn King's Landing" and "You don't want to burn King's Landing" or "These people are not your enemy". :rolleyes:

    If "The Crypt is safe!" was telegraphed than this was megaphoned.
     
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    I don't know if I'd equate two Highborn enemies to millions of innocent small folk, but hey, that's just me.
     
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    I am aware of that... but if GRRM is ending the books like the show...
     
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    I don’t believe the end of the books is going to resemble the shows. This show made GRRM a superstar, and has sold millions of books for him. He also has other shows in development with HBO so he has to say that it is close.
     
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    The books and show have always had differences. This is just another difference. Lots of stuff that happened in the books never made it into the show.
     
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    They call it snapping for a reason...
     
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    I took that completely differently - maybe incorrectly - as a conversation that Arya's work wasn't done because Cersei wasn't the threat anymore - Dany is now.
     
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    Agreed, and I think situations like this are where the rushed storylines try to wrap things up so quickly they aren't quite plausible. Like Dany with the throne, Arya has spent literally years building toward the moment where she takes out Cersei. She rides from Winterfell with the Hound to complete the deed and even hints that she doesn't think she'll survive the trip. She's obviously committed. And then, right on the precipice of her moment of glory, he talks her out of it in 15 seconds?

    Just as maddening...when the Hound finally reaches the Mountain on the staircase. Qyburn dies, the Mountain obviously no longer cares about protecting Cersei any longer so she tries to leave, going down the stairs and passing right by the Hound and he just...lets her go? All it takes is one thrust of his sword to dispatch of her. Zero cost, zero danger. And he lets her go. Come on. (Yes, as he stated to Arya, he knows Cersei will die one way or the other, but still.)
     
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    For the madness crowd. Dany’s Father was a paranoid schizophrenic who didn’t cut his hair or fingernails, like, he had claws. Even Rhaegar knew it. It took years of that behavior to amount to rebellion after burning Ned’s father and brother. This does not equate to Dany snapping IMO. It’s unearned.

    Now, Viserys? OK if it were Viserys I would be on board, and if this were the point why didn’t he win the throne.
     
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    And maybe I was so focused on "Arya's List" that I missed what you saw. I guess to your point that certainly would fit Arya's motivation for the Series Finale, but she didn't seem to think Dany was the threat until she was fleeing the city. Dany's attack really didn't matter to either Arya or The Hound.
     
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    Architectural lessons I have learned in the last month:

    1. Well built medieval stone arch ceilings hold up remarkably well against a big regular fire. #NotreDame
    2. Stone arch ceilings are not a match for dragon fire. #RedKeep
     
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    Agreed. Like I said, when she decided to snap on top of that building, I could see her roasting the surrendered lanister army. That impulse (still cruel and unnecessary) would fit the anger/rage feeling for her character and then maybe flying up to the keep and buring it apart. But to start just buring regular people running after keeping her composure destroying the scorpions/defense forces was again, over the top to force all of us watchers to say "She snapped, it just is what it is." and imo lazy.
     
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    At what point in the series did they completely lose the books to use as a crutch for storytelling?
     
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    There were a lot of signs in the show that Dany was heading in this direction, but I didn't want to believe it was going to happen.

    I did feel that Daenerys actions were a little antithetical to who she is.

    If they were going to go this route, I think they could have done a better job of making her character story a tragedy rather than one of an evil tyrant who became unhinged.
     
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