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Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Gordyo5, Jan 7, 2019.
Of the living? Only the fat guy, Samwell. The only other non-****** up character is Hot Pie. And, Davos, probably. I think i could have a beer with Davos without worrying about his motives. So yah, Samwell, Hot Pie, Davos and me having some eats and drink. Sounds safe enough.
I think season 5 they were on their own. Frankly, I am glad because they have not spoiled the books. This is way too hamhanded to take 8+ years of writing by someone with GRRM's skill.
One of the big reasons they make the decisions they make is to keep the most popular actors on screen. They destroyed Sansa's character for this reason IMO.
Clegane bowl was the only decent ending for any of the deaths last night. They others felt really rushed and half assed. I also found it odd that as soon as she started burning everyone, we didn't see Dany the rest of the episode. That was intentional and will play in to next episode.
I still think Cersei's convo with Ned in season 1 is the most telling of the entire series. "When you play the game of thrones, you win or you die, there is no middle ground". I take part of that as there are no good guys or bad guys, just winners and losers. I think in Dany, many saw a way that everyone could win, that things could be different. In the end, at best, she's the lesser of two evils.
on the bright side of not following through on the "little brother" theory, and other theories/plot lines, IF Martin finishes the books, hahahaha! then, I'll have something to look forward to reading.
I liked Cleganebowl, too. When he didn't die with the knife through his head, that was pretty amazing.
I like to think that the story is not as nihilistic as your second paragraph, but it could be.
I won't bet on this, but I am praying on it!
Having re-watched that scene, I'm not picking up that the Hound is pointing Arya toward Dany. Not that Arya couldn't intuitively figure that out for herself - as she surely did once she saw the unnecessary devastation outside the Red Keep.
I thought that felt more like a "you don't have to be like me" type of moment. Which seems a little last-minute given all the time they've spent together and the fact that Arya has already talked about the potential of dying in service of her goal of killing Cersei.
I could see Arya poisoning Dany, and riding to Gendry at Storm's End. Choosing life over death.
Maybe we're all overthinking this and the real lesson of the show is, if you get the chance you should choose sex over death because it is more fun.
So if Dany dies...how in the hell do you kill her dragon?
Yeah, hitting a dragon with that on the first shot was pretty unbelievable. And then missing hundreds of shots was equally as bad. Just lazy.
They kind of just go off and do their own thing in the books when left without a rider. Killing sheep and whatnot. He may just roost at Dragonstone.
If Arya kills her, maybe the dragon follows Jon since he is the only other one be to ride them. Or it just flys away.
People seem to be talking a lot about the things in the above quote, but to me no one is talking about the biggest thing that could have caused her to break.
For just about the entire series in her mind she has been the unquestioned heir to the throne. She has been completely driven by that. Finding out Jon is the true heir and that it could be taken away from her in an instant has to be weighing on her too. Jon can pledge loyalty all he wants, but if enough other people know and want him as ruler, there's not much she can do to stop it short of killing a lot of people. I don't know why this is never brought up in anything I'm reading about this season.
People just want to be angry. They can't accept the fact that a character on a show they watch might have flaws.
I didn't mean that he pointed her at Dany exactly, just that she may not have taken it as sentimentally as you interpreted it.
Also - why are people sure that Cersei and Jamie are dead? The didn't show their dead bodies - so it's probably not good to assume they're dead yet.
I think Dany's scene with John is under rated in this episode. Dany realizes that the people of Westeros will never love her like they love John. "Fear it is then". She had to burn King's Landing to earn the "fear" factor that she needs to actually rule the 7 kingdoms.
In my mind - going back to the first time I read the books 20 years ago, that was one of the things I found compelling about this series - there weren't 'good' and 'bad' people - there were people with flaws and their own motivations, which are almost never pure. I always thought that was the overarching moral lesson of the books, insomuch as there is one. And those people could band together (some of them) to fight off real evil (Night King)- but they still revert to their true selfish selves immediately after.
Even those who are good to a fault (Ned and Jon); they break vows, lie and then let their 'honor' blind them.