Does the Pollard story change the FB situation?

Incyte

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So one case with a truckload if extenuating circumstances changes the rest.

You don't think our next coach will think he's a better coach than Walden, Danny Mac, Chiz and Rhoads? You think those are great coaches and ISU is the problem?

There are only 68 or so P5 jobs and a host of people around the county that want to coach at this level. The key is wading through the chafe to find the wheat.
 

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You don't think our next coach will think he's a better coach than Walden, Danny Mac, Chiz and Rhoads? You think those are great coaches and ISU is the problem?

There are only 68 or so P5 jobs and a host of people around the county that want to coach at this level. The key is wading through the chafe to find the wheat.

Of course he'll think it, but every person has a moment of doubt when starting something, and the doubt the next coach will have is whether this place will kill his career. That's the most natural thought in the world, and has plenty of evidence to back it up. Coaches don't climb the ladder from here.
 

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Well, if JP is as cheap as that article said he was and ISU only gets 1, 2 or 3 wins this season, he'll have no choice but to get rid of CPR. The money this program will lose on ticket sales will be too much. There will have to be something to sell tickets next year, retaining CPR after a 3rd consecutive dismal season will not do that.
 

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Of course he'll think it, but every person has a moment of doubt when starting something, and the doubt the next coach will have is whether this place will kill his career. That's the most natural thought in the world, and has plenty of evidence to back it up. Coaches don't climb the ladder from here.

Yeah, that Herman guy definitely is stuck in a rut. So is Luke Wells.

Iowa State is not a graveyard for coaches.
 

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Yeah, that Herman guy definitely is stuck in a rut. So is Luke Wells.

Iowa State is not a graveyard for coaches.

Agree. ISU is not a graveyard. The more accurate description is that ISU is a stepping stone for successful coaches. That is why CPR's early success was so exciting (and resulted in JP offering a bad contract extension). We thought we had the guy that would achieve good/great results and not be looking to leave.

We should just accept that having someone outside the program lift us up, but then leave to bigger things, is just fine. As long as the program is in better shape. The next hire is key.
 

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If CPR needs to be fired, JP should be the first one shown the door with CPR to follow. We need a football first AD conducting the next football HCing search and hire. Dear gawd not JP again.
 
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Pollard has to go with him. ISU has very good fan support which will react big time to winning its not a bad job as an AD since the hoops program is very strong with great support and history and the football fans know their conference is extremely difficult but the FB schedule is BIG TIME you get 4-5 major names visiting Ames every year so 6-6 with that schedule is damned good if you get a guy who can go 8-4 or 9-3 a couple times ISU will swap spots with a couple of their more successful conference foes and be a power and generally a winning program.
 

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At least Leath has our backs even if JP doesn't. He will step in if necessary just like he had so JP didn't screw up the BBall hire like he was going to do.
 

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Yeah, that Herman guy definitely is stuck in a rut. So is Luke Wells.

Iowa State is not a graveyard for coaches.


Interesting. You move the goalposts with every post.
I clearly started this by talking about head coaches and never deviated from that. Congrats, though, on having your own little irrelevant diversion there.
Head coaching graveyard until proven otherwise. Someone can prove it, but they haven't been hired yet.
 

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If CPR needs to be fired, JP should be the first one shown the door with CPR to follow. We need a football first AD conducting the next football HCing search and hire. Dear gawd not JP again.

Thankfully, you're not doing the hiring. JP was just what we needed during his tenure. A numbers guy that could take a woefully inadequate athletic department and spend the windfall we've recently had in a smart way (even if sometimes that seemed cheap :rolleyes:) to make us not look like a historically under performing and woefully inadequate athletic department.

Yes, some of his coaching choices haven't panned out, but can you really argue that his coaching choices were bad at the time? Chizik was supposed to be a star, Rhoads looked like a good fit, McD was getting interest from other power 5 programs.

I'm not saying that he's the second coming...if we don't make headway and he doesn't make a change, yeah, he'll have to go, but to say he should go BEFORE Paul? I don't think so. Where we were after Van DeVelde, I think Jamie has done great in everything except hindsight coaching choices and sometimes PR moves.
 

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Interesting. You move the goalposts with every post.
I clearly started this by talking about head coaches and never deviated from that. Congrats, though, on having your own little irrelevant diversion there.
Head coaching graveyard until proven otherwise. Someone can prove it, but they haven't been hired yet.

Not a bad angle though... I think we would find the majority of assistant coaches do not go on to better gigs but I'm too lazy to do the legwork.
 

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Yeah, that Herman guy definitely is stuck in a rut. So is Luke Wells.

Iowa State is not a graveyard for coaches.

You should just leave facts and sensible examples out of this; Erik can't handle them.
 

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We've had four head coaches since Criner got fired.

Walden: Left coaching. Debatable whether his record at ISU was the problem or if he was just a bad coach and got out.
McCarney: After ISU stayed in coaching and is a head coach elsewhere now. Being at ISU didn't hurt his career, he got opportunities afterwords. At worst you could say the time he spent at ISU could have been better spent elsewhere.
Chizik: Left ISU for one of the top jobs in the country, won a national championship and coach of the year awards, then flamed out. ISU most certainly didn't hurt his career.
Rhoads: To soon to tell, but once he is fired he'll have other opportunities. Like McCarney, you could say the time he spent at ISU could have been better spent elsewhere, but it isn't going to hurt him.

To add to that, Walden was 56 when he got fired, after somehow being given 8 years (at least he can say he was compensated well for his failure). McCarney was 53 when he left ISU, and he got a nice opportunity at Florida. He's 62 now and have to think that and some of his health issues would make him an unattractive candidate for a major program regardless of his ISU stint. (otherwise, if he really wanted to jump back in, you'd think he mightve had some opportunities after his 9-4 season a couple years ago)

Going back farther, Criner cheated, which isnt going to win you many jobs, especially when you cheat and dont win big. Who knows what happens to his career if he doesnt cheat. Duncan? He eventually ended up at oklahoma as athletic director, where he made more upon hire there than he did when he resigned at ISU (before coaching salaries blew up as much as they have). So he seemed to do alright. Bruce? He went to Ohio State and had a great opportunity. Majors? Went on and had success.

The bigger problem is that we've stuck by bad and mediocre coaches far too long, far after theyve shown the rest of the country its not going to happen. Somewhere in the mccarney era we created this mythos that we have always sucked terribly and we will always suck terribly. And its made us afraid to reject terrible results.
 
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To add to that, Walden was 56 when he got fired, after somehow being given 8 years (at least he can say he was compensated well for his failure). McCarney was 53 when he left ISU, and he got a nice opportunity at Florida. He's 62 now and have to think that and some of his health issues would make him an unattractive candidate for a major program regardless of his ISU stint. (otherwise, if he really wanted to jump back in, you'd think he mightve had some opportunities after his 9-4 season a couple years ago)

Going back farther, Criner cheated, which isnt going to win you many jobs, especially when you cheat and dont win big. Who knows what happens to his career if he doesnt cheat. Duncan? He eventually ended up at oklahoma as athletic director, where he made more upon hire there than he did when he resigned at ISU (before coaching salaries blew up as much as they have). So he seemed to do alright. Bruce? He went to Ohio State and had a great opportunity. Majors? Went on and had success.

The bigger problem is that we've stuck by bad and mediocre coaches far too long, far after theyve shown the rest of the country its not going to happen. Somewhere in the mccarney era we created this mythos that we have always sucked terribly and we will always suck terribly. And its made us afraid to reject terrible results.

I don't think it is the fear of rejecting terrible results. It is watching many teams like Kansas, which has a far larger athletic budget than we do, make numerous coaching changes year after year and pay enormous buyouts for their fired coaches. And then go through the insane process over and over again.

Pollard's decision is going to come down to results.......and also other factors whether you like them or not. For example, last year CPR kicked off the 2 starting DT's for disciplinary reasons, and then had a rash of injuries that were at a very high level. And the year before we got totally screwed in the Texas game and Pollard was as incensed as anyone about it and thought we got a raw deal.

Now if CPR loses to Kansas, then there is probably little doubt as to his future. Because I would think that the mental attitude of this whole team and fanbase would tank. A win and we remain in limbo. I honestly think that with 3 conference wins CPR is most likely going to return.......whether you like it or not. We definitely need to get some wins. This team does have potential. But they have to start making that potential reality.
 
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I know it doesn't directly change anything on the field, but if Pollard was originally thinking about firing CPR after the season, does anything change with the Hoiberg story breaking? My thought is this: He already has CPR here. He's already shown loyalty to him. He seems to have a good working relationship with him (although that doesn't mean a whole lot now). Maybe he tries to ride the CPR train a little bit longer to get things straightened out on AND off the field with someone who trusts him.


"Get a Decent Coach Here"................Who are U kidding, the last "Decent Coach" was Earle Bruce circa 1973 -1978...w/ a record of 36 Wins and 32 Losses.

It is really hard to get a winning coach at ISU, when we play in a Southron League dominated by Texas High School players...............

In Football geography trumps everything else...Ever wonder why thee ohio state univ, always wins...Look at the high school playersin the state of Ohio......

If all we are gonna get it Clone of Rhoads don't even bother firing the Rhoadster

Go Clones Please Do NOT LOSE to thee "Cheatin Jayhawks
 
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CyBobby

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well, one was able to pay...er coach a national title team.


Just proves if you can get a donor to pay Cam Newton's father 180000 then Chizik can win a National Championship.

Nice Gig if you can get it......

Go Clones Bust KU's Chops!!